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object:JRE 1169 - Elon Musk
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Joe Rogan Experience #1169 Elon Musk

: Ah, ha, ha, ha. Four, three, two, one, boom. Thank you. Thanks for
doing this, man. Really appreciate it.

: You're welcome.

: It's very good to meet you.

: Nice to meet you too.

: And thanks for not lighting this place on fire.

: You're welcome. That's coming later.

: How does one, just in the middle of doing all the things you do,
create cars, rockets, all the stuff you're doing, constantly
innovating, decide to just make a flamethrower? Where do you have the
time for that?

: Well, the flame, we didn't put a lot of time into the flamethrower.
This was an off-the-cuff thing. It's sort of a hobby company called the
Boring Company, which started out as a joke, and we decided to make a
real, and dig a tunnel under LA. And then, other people asked us to dig
tunnels. And so, we said yes in a few cases.

: Now, who-

: And then, we have a merchandise section that only has one piece of
merchandise at a time. And we started off with a cap. And there was
only one thing on, which is BoringCompany.com/hat. That's it. And then,
we sold the hats, limited edition. It just said, "The Boring Company."

: And then, I'm a big fan of Spaceballs, the movie. And in Spaceballs,
Yogurt goes through the merchandising section, and they have a
flamethrower in the merchandising section of Spaceballs. And, like, the
kids love that one. That's the line when he pulls up the flamethrower.
It's like, "We should do a flamethrower." So, we-

: Does anybody tell you no? Does anybody go, "Elon, maybe for yourself,
but selling a flamethrower, the liabilities, all the people you're
selling this device to, what kind of unhinged people are going to be
buying a flamethrower in the first place? Do we really want to connect
ourselves to all these potential arsonists?

: Yeah, it's a terrible idea. It's terrible. Don't buy one. I said,
"Don't buy this flamethrower. Don't buy it. Don't buy it." That's what
I said, but, still, people bought it.

: Yeah.

: There's nothing I can do to stop them. I did not stop them.

: You build it, they will come.

: I said, "Don't buy it. It's a bad idea."

: How many did you make?

: It's dangerous. It's wrong. Don't buy it. And, still, people bought
it. I just couldn't stop them.

: How many did you make?

: 20,000.

: And they're all gone?

: In three I think, four days. They sold out in four days.

: Are you going to do another run?

: No.

: No, that's it?

: Yes.

: Oh, I see.

: I said we're doing 20. We did 50,000. 50,000 hats, and that was a
million dollars. I thought, "Okay. Well, we'll sell something for 10
million," and that was 20,000 flamethrowers at $500 each. They went
fast.

: Yeah. How do you have the time? How do you have the time to do that
though? I mean, I understand that it's not a big deal in terms of all
the other things you do, but how do you have time to do anything? I
just I don't understand your time management skills.

: I mean, I didn't spend much time on this flamethrower. I mean, to be
totally frank, it's actually just a roofing torch with an air rifle
cover. It's not a real flamethrower.

: Which is why it says, "Not a flamethrower."

: That's why we were very clear, this is not actually a flamethrower.
And, also, we are told that various countries would ban shipping of it,
that they would ban flamethrowers. So, we're very To solve this
problem for all of the customs agencies, we labeled it, "Not a
flamethrower."

: Did it work? Was it effective?

: I don't know. I think so. Yes.

: So far.

: Yes.

: Now, but you do-

: Because they said you cannot ship a flamethrower.

: But you do so many different things. Forget about the flamethrower.
Like, how do you do all that other shit? Like, how does one decide to
fix LA traffic by drilling holes in the ground? And who do you even
approach with that? Like, when you have this idea, who do you talk to
about that?

: I mean, I'm not saying it's going to be successful or something, you
know. It's not like asserting that it's going to be successful. But so
far, I've lived in LA for 16 years, and the traffic has always been
terrible. And so, I don't see any other, like, ideas for improving the
traffic. So, in desperation, we're going to dig a tunnel. And maybe
that tunnel will be successful and maybe it won't.

: I'm listening.

: Yeah. I'm not trying to convince you it's going to work.

: And are the people that you-

: I mean, or anyone.

: But you are starting this though. This is actually a project you're
starting to implement, right.

: Yeah, yeah, no. We've dug about a mile. It's quite long. It takes a
long time to walk it.

: Yeah. Now, when you're doing this, what is the ultimate plan? The
ultimate plan is to have these in major cities, and anywhere there's
mass congestion, and just try it out in LA first?

: Yeah. It's in LA because I mostly live in LA. That's the reason. It's
a terrible place to dig tunnels. This is one of the worst places to dig
tunnels mostly because of the paperwork. You all think it's like, "What
about seismic?" It's like, actually, both tunnels are very safe in
earthquakes.

: Why is that?

: Earthquakes are essentially a surface phenomenon. It's like waves on
the ocean. So, if there's a storm, you want to be in a submarine. So,
being in a tunnel is like being in a submarine. Now, the way the tunnel
is constructed, it's constructed out of these interlocking segments,
kind of like a snake. It's sort of like a snake exoskeleton with double
seals.

: And so, even when the ground moves, the tunnel actually is able to
shift along with the ground like an underground snake, and it doesn't
crack or break. And it's extremely unlikely that both seals would be
broken. And it's capable of taking five atmospheres of pressure. It's
waterproof, methane-proof, well, gas-proof of any kind, and meets all
California seismic requirements.

: So, when you have this idea, who do you bring this to?

: I'm not sure what you mean by that.

: Well, you're implementing it. So, you're digging holes in the ground.

: Yes.

: Like, you have to bring it to someone that lets you do it.

: Yes. There are some engineers from SpaceX who thought it would be
cool to do this. And the guy who runs it, like, day-to-day is Steve
Davis. He's a longtime SpaceX engineer. He is great. So, Steve was
like, "I'd like to help make this happen." I was like, "Cool." So, we
started off with digging a hole in the ground. It's got like a permit
for a pit, like pit, and just dug a big pit.

: And you have to tell them what the pit's for, or you just said, "Hey,
we just want to dig a hole."

: I just filled up this form.

: That's it?

: Yeah, it was a pit in our parking lot.

: But do you have to give them some sort of a blueprint for your
ultimate idea? And do they have to approve it? Like, how does that
work?

: Now. We just started off with a pit.

: Okay.

: A big pit. And, you know, it's not really You know, they don't
really care about the existential nature of a pit. You just say like,
"I want a pit."

: Right.

: Yeah. And it's a hole in the ground. So then, we got the permit for
the pit, and we dug the pit, and we dug it in, like, I don't know,
three days, two to three days. Actually, I think two, 48 hours,
something like that because Eric Carr said he was coming by for the
Hype. He's going to attend the Hyperloop Competition. which is like a
student competition we have for who can make the fastest part in the
Hyperloop. And he was coming.

: The finals are going to be on Sunday afternoon. And so, Eric is
coming by on Sunday afternoon. He's like, "You know, we should dig this
pit, and then like show Eric." So, this was like Friday morning. And
then, yeah. So, it's about a little over 48 hours later, we dug the
pit. There was like wind 24/7. Oh, 24. 48 straight hours, something
like that. And dug this big pit, and we're like, "Show Eric the pit."
It's like, obviously, it's just a pit. But, hey, a hole in the ground
is better than no hole in the ground.

: And what did you tell him about this pit? I mean, you just said this
is the beginning of this idea.

: Yes.

: We're going to build tunnels under LA to help funnel traffic better.

: Yes.

: And they just go, "Okay." But we've joked around about this in the
podcast before to like what if a person can go to the people that run
the city and go, "Hey, I want to dig some holes on the ground and put
some tunnels in there," and they go "Oh, yeah, okay."

: Not the only one with a hole in the ground.

: But it's a-

: People dig holes in the ground all time.

: But my question is, like, I know how much time you must be spending
on your Tesla factory. I know how much time you must be spending on
SpaceX. And yet, you still have time to dig holes under the ground in
LA, and come up with these ideas, and then implement them. Like-

: I have a million ideas.

: I'm sure you do.

: There's no shortage of that. Yeah.

: I just don't know how you manage your time. I don't understand it. It
doesn't seem It doesn't even seem humanly possible.

: You know, I do, basically I think, people, like, don't totally
understand what I do with my time. They think, like, I'm a business guy
or something like that. Like my Wikipedia page says business magnate.

: What would you call yourself?

: A business magnet. Can someone please change my Wikipedia page to
magnet?

: They'll change it for you.

: Please change.

: Right now, it's probably already changed.

: It's locked. So, somebody has to be able to unlock it and change it
to magnet.

: Someone will get that.

: I want to be a magnet. No, I do engineering, you know, and
manufacturing, and that kind of thing. That's like 80% or more of my
time.

: Ideas, and then the implementation of those ideas.

: Those are like hardcore engineering, like-

: Yeah.

: designing things, you know.

: Right.

: It's structural, mechanical, electrical, software, user interface,
engineering, aerospace engineering.

: But you must understand there's not a whole lot of human beings like
you. You know that, right? You're an oddity-

: Yes.

: to chimps like me.

: We're all chimps.

: Yeah, we are.

: We're one notch. One notch above a chimp.

: Some of us are a little more confused. When I watch you doing all
these things, I'm like, "How does this motherfucker have all this time,
and all this energy, and all these ideas, and then people just let him
do these things?"

: Because I'm an alien.

: That's what I've speculated.

: Yes.

: Then, I'm on record saying this in the past. I wonder.

: It's true.

: I mean, if there was one? I was like, "If there was, like, maybe an
intelligent being that we created, you know, like some AI creature
that's superior to people, maybe it's just hanging around with us for a
little while like you've been doing, and then fix a bunch of shit." I
mean, that's the way.

: I might have some mutation or something like that.

: You might. Do you think you do?

: Probably.

: Do you wonder? Like, around normal people, you're like, "Hmm." Think,
"What's up with these boring dumb motherfuckers?" ever?

: Not bad for a human, but, I think, I will not be able to hold a
candle to AI.

: You scared the shit out of me when you talk about AI between you and
Sam Harris.

: Oh sure.

: I didn't consider it until I had a podcast with Sam once.

: That's great.

: And he made me shit my pants. Talking about AI, I realized, like,
"Oh, this is a genie that once it's out of the bottle, you're never
getting it back in."

: That's true.

: There was a video that you tweeted about one of those Boston dynamic
robots.

: Yeah.

: And you're like, "In the future, it will be moving so fast, you can't
see it without a strobe light."

: Yeah. You can probably do that right now.

: And no one's really paying attention too much other than people like
you, or people that are really obsessed with technology, all these
things are happening. And these robots are Do you see the one where
PETA put out a statement that you shouldn't kick robots?

: It's probably not wise.

: For retri bution.

: Their memory is very good.

: I bet it's really good.

: It's really good.

: I bet it is.

: Yes.

: And getting better every day.

: It's really good.

: Are you honestly legitimately concerned about this? Are you Is,
like, AI one of your main worries in regards to the future?

: Yes. It's less of a worry than it used to be, mostly due to taking
more of a fatalistic attitude.

: So, you used to have more hope, and you gave up some of it. And, now,
you don't worry as much about AI. You're like, "This is just what it
is."

: Pretty much. Yes, yes, yes.

: Was that not? Yes but no.

: It's not necessarily bad. It's just it's definitely going to be
outside of human control.

: Not necessarily bad, right?

: Yes. It's not necessarily bad. It's just outside of human control.
Now, the thing that's going to be tricky here is that it's going to be
very tempting to use AI as a weapon. It's going to be very tempting. In
fact, it will be used as a weapon. So, the on ramp to serious AI, the
danger is going to be more humans using it against each other, I think,
most likely. That will be the danger. Yeah.

: How far do you think we are from something that can make its own mind
up whether or not something's ethically or morally correct, or whether
or not it wants to do something, or whether or not it wants to improve
itself, or whether or not it wants to protect itself from people or
from other AI? How far away are we from something that's really truly
sentient?

: Well, I mean, you could argue that any group of people, like a
company is essentially a cybernetic collective of people and machines.
That's what a company is. And then, there are different levels of
complexity in the way these companies are formed. And then, there's a
sort of like a collective AI in the Google, sort of, Search, Google
Search, you know, where we're all sort of plugged in as like nodes on
the network, like leaves on a big tree.

: And we're all feeding this network with our questions and answers.
We're all collectively programming the AI. And Google Plus, all the
humans that connect to it, are one giant cybernetic collective. This is
also true of Facebook, and Twitter, and Instagram, and all the social
networks. They're giant cybernetic collectives.

: Humans and electronics all interfacing, and constantly now,
constantly connected.

: Yes, constantly.

: One of the things that I've been thinking about a lot over the last
few years is that one of the things that drives a lot of people crazy
is how many people are obsessed with materialism and getting the latest
greatest thing. And I wonder how much of that is Well, a lot of it is
most certainly fueling technology and innovation. And it almost seems
like it's built into us. It's like what we like and what we want that
we're fueling this thing that's constantly around us all the time.

: And it doesn't seem possible that people are going to pump the
brakes. It doesn't seem possible at this stage where we're constantly
expecting the newest cellphone, the latest Tesla update, the newest
MacBook Pro. Everything has to be newer and better. And that's going to
lead to some incredible point. And it seems like it's built into us. It
almost seems like it's an instinct that we're working towards this,
that we like it. Our job, just like the ants build the anthill, our job
is to somehow know how fuel this.

: Yes. I mean, I made this comment some years ago, but it feels like we
are the biological bootloader for AI. Effectively, we are building it.
And then, we're building progressively greater intelligence. And the
percentage of intelligence that is not human is increasing. And,
eventually, we will represent a very small percentage of intelligence.
But the AI is informed strangely by the human limbic system. It is, in
large part, our id writ large.

: How so?

: We mentioned all those things, the sort of primal drives. There's all
of the things that we like, and hate, and fear. They're all there on
the internet. They're a projection of our limbic system. That's true.

: No, it makes sense. And the thinking of it as a I mean, thinking of
corporations, and just thinking of just human beings communicating
online through these social media networks in some sort of an organism
that's a It's a cyborg. It's a combination. It's a combination of
electronics and biology.

: Yeah. This is In some measure, like, it's to the success of these
online systems. It's sort of a function of how much limbic resonance
they're able to achieve with people. The more limbic resonance, the
more engagement.

: Whereas, like one of the reasons why probably Instagram is more
enticing than Twitter.

: Limbic resonance.

: Yeah. You get more images, more video.

: Yes.

: It's tweaking your system more.

: Yes.

: Do you worry or wonder, in fact, of what the next step is? I mean, a
lot of you didn't see Twitter coming. You know, communicate with 140
characters or 280 now would be a thing that people would be interested
in. Like it's going to excel. It's going to become more connected to
us, right?

: Yes. Things are getting more and more connected. They're, at this
point, constrained by bandwidth. Our input/output is slow, particularly
output. Output got worse with thumbs. You know, we used to have input
with 10 fingers. Now, we have thumbs. But images are just, also, other
way of communicating at high bandwidth. You take pictures and you send
pictures to people. What sends, that communicates far more information
than you can communicate with your thumb.

: So, what happened with you where you decided, or you took on a more
fatalistic attitude? Like, was there any specific thing, or was it just
the inevitability of our future?

: I try to convince people to slow down. Slow down AI to regulate AI.
That's what's futile. I tried for years, and nobody listened.

: This seems like a scene in a movie-

: Nobody listened.

: where the the robots are going to fucking takeover. You're freaking
me out. Nobody listened?

: Nobody listened.

: No one. Are people more inclined to listen today? It seems like an
issue that's brought up more often over the last few years than it was
maybe 5-10 years ago. It seemed like science fiction.

: Maybe they will. So far, they haven't. I think, people don't Like,
normally, the way that regulations work is very slow. it's very slow
indeed. So, usually, it will be something, some new technology. It will
cause damage or death. There will be an outcry. There will be an
investigation. Years will pass. There will be some sort of insights
committee. There will be rule making. Then, there will be oversight,
absolutely, of regulations. This all takes many years. This is the
normal course of things.

: If you look at, say, automotive regulations, how long did it take for
seatbelts to be implemented, to be required? You know, the auto
industry fought seatbelts, I think, for more than a decade. It
successfully fought any regulations on seatbelts even though the
numbers were extremely obvious. If you had seatbelts on, you would be
far less likely to die or be seriously injured. It was unequivocal. And
the industry fought this for years successfully. Eventually, after
many, many people died, regulators insisted on seatbelts. This is a
This time frame is not relevant to AI. You can't take 10 years from a
point of which it's dangerous. It's too late.

: And you feel like this is decades away or years away from being too
late. If you have this fatalistic attitude, and you feel like it's
going We're in an almost like a doomsday countdown.

: It's not necessarily a doomsday countdown. It's a-

: Out of control countdown?

: Out of control, yeah. People quote the singularity, and that's
probably a good way to think about it. It's a singularity. It's hard to
predict like a black hole, what happens past the event horizon.

: Right. So, once it's implemented, it's very difficult because it
would be able to-

: Once the genie is out of the bottle, what's going to happen?

: Right. And it will be able to improve itself.

: Yes.

: That's where it gets spooky, right? The idea that it can do thousands
of years of innovation very, very quickly.

: Yeah.

: And, then, it will be just ridiculous.

: Ridiculous.

: We will be like this ridiculous biological shitting, pissing thing
trying to stop the gods. "No, stop. We're like living with a finite
lifespan, and watching, you know, Norman Rockwell paintings."

: It could be terrible, and it could be great. It's not clear.

: Right.

: But one thing is for sure, we will not control it.

: Do you think that it's likely that we will merge somehow or another
with this sort of technology, and it'll augment what we are now, or do
you think it will replace us?

: Well, that's the scenario. The merge scenario with AI is the one that
seems like probably the best. Like if-

: For us?

: Yes. Like if you can't beat it, join it. That's-

: Yes, yeah.

: You know. So, from a long-term existential standpoint, that's like
the purpose of Neuralink is to create a high bandwidth interface to the
brain such that we can be symbiotic with AI because we have a bandwidth
problem. You just can't communicate through fingers. It's too slow.

: And where's Neuralink at right now?

: I think. we'll have something interesting to announce in a few
months. That's, at least, an order of magnitude better than anything
else. I think better than, probably, anyone thinks is possible.

: How much can you talk about that right now?

: I don't want to jump the gun on that.

: But what's like the ultimate? What's the idea behind that? Like, what
are you trying to accomplish with it? What would you like best case
scenario?

: I think, best case scenario, we effectively merge with AI where AI
serves as a tertiary cognition layer, where we've got the limbic
system. Kind of the, you know, primitive brain essentially. You got the
cortex. So, you're currently in a symbiotic relationship. Your cortex
and limbic system are in a symbiotic relationship. And, generally,
people like their cortex, and they like their limbic system. I haven't
met anyone who wants to delete their limbic system or delete their
cortex. Everybody seems to like both.

: And the cortex is mostly in service to the limbic system. People may
think that the thinking part of themselves is in charge, but it's
mostly their limbic system that's in charge. And the cortex is trying
to make the limbic system happy. That's what most of that computing
power is. It's launched towards, "How can I make the limbic system
happy?" That's what it's trying to do.

: Now, if we do have a third layer, which is the AI extension of
yourself, that is also symbiotic. And there's enough bandwidth between
the cortex and the AI extension of yourself, such that the AI doesn't
de facto separate. Then, that could be a good outcome. That could be
quite a positive outcome for the future.

: So, instead of replacing us, it will radically change our
capabilities?

: Yes. It will enable anyone who wants to have super human cognition,
anyone who wants. This is not a matter of earning power because your
earning power would be vastly greater after you do it. So, it's just
like anyone who wants can just do it in theory. That's the theory. And
if that's the case then, and let's say billions of people do it, then
the outcome for humanity will be the sum of human will, the sum of
billions of people's desire for the future.

: That billions of people with enhanced cognitive ability?

: Yes.

: Radically enhanced?

: Yes.

: And which would be It But how much different than people today?
Like if you had to explain it to a person who didn't really understand
what you're saying, like how much different are you talking about? When
you say radically improved, like, what do you mean? You mean mind
reading?

: It will be difficult to really appreciate the difference. It's kind
of like how much smarter are you with a phone or computer than without?
You're vastly smarter actually. You know, you can answer any question.
If you connect to the internet, you can answer any question pretty much
instantly, any calculation, that your phone's memory is essentially
perfect. You can remember flawlessly. Your phone can remember videos,
pictures, everything perfectly. That's the-

: Your phone is already an extension of you. You're already a cyborg.
You don't even What most people don't realize, they are already a
cyborg. That phone is an extension of yourself. It's just that the data
rate, the rate at which The communication rate between you and the
cybernetic extension of yourself, that is your phone and computer, is
slow. It's very slow.

: And that is like a tiny straw of information flow between your
biological self and your digital self. And we need to make that tiny
straw like a giant river. A huge high band with the interface. It's an
interface problem, data rate problem. It's all the data rate problem
that I think we can hang on to human machine symbiosis through the long
term. And then, people may decide that they want to retain their
biological self or not. I think they'll probably choose to retain the
biological self.

: Versus some sort of Ray Kurzweil scenario where they download
themselves into a computer?

: You will be essentially snapshotted into a computer at any time. If
your biological self dies, you could probably just upload it to a new
unit literally.

: Pass that whiskey. We're getting crazy over here. This is getting
ridiculous.

: Down the rabbit hole.

: Grab that sucker. Give me some of that. This is too freaky. See, if I
was just talking-

: I've been thinking about this for a long time, by the way.

: I believe you. If I was talking to one Cheers, by the way.

: Cheers. It is a great whiskey.

: Thank you. I don't know where this came. Who brought this to us?

: I'm trying to remember. I can't-

: Somebody gave it to us. Old Camp. Whoever it was-

: It's good.

: thanks.

: It's good.

: Yeah, it is good. This is just inevitable. Again, going back to when
you decided to have this fatalistic viewpoint. So, you weren't You
tried to warn people. You talked about this pretty extensively. I've
read several interviews where you talked about this. And then, you just
sort of just said, "Okay, it just is. Let's just-" And, in a way, by
communicating the potential for I mean, for sure, you're getting the
warning out to some people.

: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was really going on the warning quite a lot. I
was warning everyone I could. Yeah, I've met with Obama and just for
one reason, like, "Better watch out."

: Just talk about AI.

: Yes.

: And what did he say? So, what about Hillary? Worry about her first.
Shh, everybody, quiet.

: He listened. He certainly listened. I met with Congress. I met with
I was at a meeting of all 50 governors and talked about just the AI
danger. And I talked to everyone I could. No one seemed to realize
where this was going.

: Is it that, or do they just assume that someone smarter than them is
already taking care of it? Because when people hear about something
like AI, it's almost abstract. It's almost like it's so hard to wrap
your head around it.

: It is.

: By the time it happens, it will be too late?

: Yeah. I think, they didn't quite understand it, or didn't think it
was near term, or not sure what to do about it. And I said, like, you
know, an obvious thing to do is to just establish a committee,
government committee, to gain insight. You know, before you oversight,
before you do make regulations, you should like try to understand
what's going on. And then, you have an insight committee. Then, once
they learn what's going on, you get up to speed. Then, they can make
maybe some rules or proposed some rules. And that would be probably a
safer way to go about things.

: It seems I mean, I know that it's probably something that the
government's supposed to handle, but it seems like I wouldn't want the
  I don't want the government to handle this.

: Who do you want to handle this?

: I want you to handle this.

: Oh geez.

: Yeah. I feel like you're the one who could bring the bell better
because if Mike Pence starts talking about AI, I'm like, "Shut up,
bitch. You don't know anything about AI. Come on, man. He doesn't know
what he's talking about." That's just games.

: I don't have the power to regulate other companies. I don't if I'm
supposed to, but you know.

: Right, but maybe companies could agree. Maybe there could be some
sort of a What I mean is we have agreements where you're not supposed
to dump toxic waste into the ocean, you're not supposed to do certain
things that could be terribly damaging, even though they would be
profitable. Maybe this is one of those things.

: Maybe we should realize that you can't hit the switch on something
that's going to be able to think for itself and make up its own mind as
to whether or not it wants to survive or not, and whether or not it
thinks you're a threat, or whether or not it thinks you're useless.
Like, "Why do I keep this dumb finite life form alive? Why? Why keep
this thing around? It's just stupid. It just keeps polluting
everything. It's shitting everywhere it goes, lighting everything on
fire, and shooting at each other. Why would I keep this stupid thing
alive? Because, sometimes, it makes good music, you know. Sometimes it
makes great movies. Sometimes it makes beautiful art, and sometimes
you know. Sometimes it's cool to hang out with. Like with my-

: Yes, for all those reasons.

: Yeah. For us, those are great reasons.

: Yes.

: But for anything objective standing outside that go, "This is
definitely a flawed system." This is like if you went to the jungle and
you watch these chimps engage in warfare and beat each other with
wooden sticks.

: Chimps are really mean.

: They're fucking real mean.

: They're fucking mean.

: They're real mean.

: I saw a movie, Chimpanzee. I thought it was going to be like some
Disney thing. Like, holy cow.

: What movie was that?

: It's called Chimpanzee.

: Is it a documentary?

: Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like a documentary. I was like, "Damn, these
chimps are mean."

: They're mean.

: Yeah.

: Yeah.

: They're cruel.

: Yeah. They're calculated. Yeah.

: Yeah.

: They sneak up on each other and-

: Like, I didn't realize chimps did calculated cruelty.

: Yeah.

: I was pretty I left that meeting kinda like, "This is dark."

: Right. Well, we know better because we've advanced. But if we hadn't,
we'd be like, "Man, I don't want to fucking live in a house. I like the
chimp ways, bro. Chimp ways to go. This is it, man, chimp life. You
know, we got-

: Simple chimp life.

: Chimp life right now. But we, in a way, to the AI, might be like
those chimps and like, "These stupid fucks launching missiles out of
drones, and shooting each other underwater." Like we're crazy. We got
torpedoes, and submarines, and fucking airplanes that drop nuclear
bombs indiscriminately on cities. We're assholes.

: Yeah.

: They might go, "Why are they doing this?" It might, like, look at our
politics, look at what we do in terms of our food system, what kind of
food we force down each other's throats. And they might go, "These
people are crazy. They don't even look after themselves."

: I don't know. I mean, how much do we think about chimps? Not much.

: Very little.

: It's like-

: It's true.

: these chimps are at war. This like look It's like groups of
chimps just attack each other, and they kill each other. They torture
each other. That's pretty bad. They hunt monkeys. They're Like this
is probably the most, but, you know. I mean, when was the last time you
watched chimps?

: Me?

: Yeah.

: All the time.

: You do.

: You're talking to the wrong guy.

: Okay. Well, unfortunately, yeah.

: This fucking podcast, dude, we're talking about chimps every episode.

: It's chimp city? Okay.

: People are laughing right now. Yeah, constantly. I'm obsessed.

: Okay.

: I saw that David Attenborough documentary on chimps where they were
eating those colobus monkeys and ripping them apart.

: Yes, this was rough.

: I saw that many, many years ago.

: It's gruesome.

: It just changed how-

: Gruesome.

: I go, "Oh, this is why people are so crazy. We came from that thing."

: Yeah, exactly.

: Yeah.

: It is the colobus.

: Yeah.

: They got, like, better philosophy.

: Yeah, they're like swingers.

: Yeah.

: Yeah, they really are. They seem to be way more Even than us, way
more civilized.

: They just seem to resolve everything with sex.

: Yeah. The only rules they have is the mom won't bang the son. That's
it.

: Okay.

: That's it. Mom won't bang her sons. They're good women.

: Yeah.

: Good women in the bonobo community. Everybody else is banging it out.

: Yeah. I haven't seen the Bonobo Movie.

: Well, they're disturbing just at a zoo of bonobos at the zoo.

: They're just constantly going.

: Constantly fucking, yeah. It's all they do.

: It's just one stuff.

: Yeah. And they don't care, gay, straight, whatever. Let's just fuck.
What's with these labels?

: I haven't seen bonobos at a zoo. I just probably like-

: I don't think I have either.

: And not on the PJ section.

: Yeah, I don't think they have them at many zoos. We've looked at it
before too, didn't we?

: It's probably pretty awkward.

: Yeah. I think that's the thing. They don't like to keep regular
chimps at zoos because bonobos are just always jacking off and-

: Yeah.

: Fucking it.

: In San Diego.

: What's that? They have in San Diego?

: San Diego's got some, yeah.

: Really? Interesting.

: Yeah.

: Probably separate them. Yeah.

: I mean, how many are there in a cage, you know? I was like-

: Right.

: "It's going to be pretty intense."

: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're a weird thing, you know. And I've often
wondered whether or not we're you know, our ultimate goal is to give
birth to some new thing. And that's why we're so obsessed with
technology because it's not like this technology is really I mean,
it's certainly enhancing our lives too in a certain way, but, I mean,
ultimately, is it making people happier right now? Most technology I
would say no. In fact, you and I were talking about social media before
this about just not having Instagram on your phone, and not dealing,
and you feel better.

: Yes. I think, one of the issues with social media, it's been pointed
out by many people, is that, I think, maybe particularly Instagram
people look like they have a much better life than they really do.

: Right.

: So-

: By design.

: Yeah. People are posting pictures of when they're really happy.
They're modifying those pictures to be better looking. Even if they're
not modifying the pictures, they're, at least, selecting the pictures
for the best lighting, the best angle. So, people basically seem they
are way better looking than they basically really are.

: Right.

: And they're way happier seeming than they really are. So, if you look
at everyone on Instagram, you might think, "Man, there are all these
happy beautiful people, and I'm not that good looking, and I am not
happy. So, I must suck," you know. And that's going to make you feel
sad; when, in fact, those people you think are super happy, actually,
not that happy. Some of them are really depressed. They're very sad.
Some of the happiest-seeming people are actually some of the saddest
people in reality. And nobody looks good all the time. It doesn't
matter who you are.

: No. It's not even something you should want.

: Yeah.

: Why do you want to look great all the time?

: Yeah, exactly. So, I think things like that can make people quite sad
just by comparison because you're sort of People generally think of
themselves relative to others. It's like we are constantly
re-baselining our expectations. And you can see to say if you watch
some show like Naked and Afraid, or, you know, if you just go and try
living in the woods by yourself for a while, and you're like, "The land
that civilization is quite great." People want to come back to
civilization pretty fast on Naked or Afraid.

: Wasn't there a Theodore quote, that "Comparison is the thief of joy."

: Yeah. Happiness is reality minus expectations.

: That's great too, but the comparison is the thief of joy really holds
true to people. Is it?

: Theodore Roosevelt.

: Roosevelt, fascinating. And when you're thinking about Instagram,
because what essentially Instagram is for a lot of people is you're
giving them the opportunity to be their own PR agent, and they always
go towards the glamorous, you know. And when anybody does show, you
know, #nofilter, they really do do that. "Oh, you're so brave. Look at
you, no makeup," you know, which they look good anyway.

: "You look great. What are you doing? Oh my God. You don't have makeup
on. You still look hot as fuck. You know what you're doing. I know what
you're doing too." They're letting you know. And then, they're feeding
off that comment section. Sort of sitting there like it's a fresh
stream of love. Like you're getting right up to the sources as it comes
out of the earth, and you're sucking that sweet, sweet love water.

: A lot of emojies, smoggy emojies.

: Yeah.

: A lot of emojies.

: My concern is not so much what Instagram is. It's that I didn't think
that people had the need for this or the expectation for some sort of
technology that allows them to constantly get love and adulation from
strangers, and comments, and this ability to project this sort of
distorted version of who you really are.

: But I worry about where it goes. Like what's the next one? What's the
next one? Like, where's is it? Is it going to be augmented to some sort
of a weird augmented or virtual sort of Instagram type situation where
you're not going to want to live in this real world, you're going to
want to interface with this sort of world that you've created through
your social media page and some next level thing.

: Yeah. Go live in the simulation.

: Yeah, man.

: In the simulation.

: Some ready player one type shit that's real. That seems we have
that HTC vibe here. I've only done it a couple times quite honestly
because it kind of freaks me out.

: Sure.

: My kids fucking love it, man. They love it. They love playing these
weirdo games and walking around that headset on. But part of me
watching them do it goes, "Wow, I wonder if this is like the
precursor." Just sort of like if you look at that phone that Gordon
Gekko had on the beach and you compare that-

: Yes, the big cell phone.

: Yeah, you pair that to like a Galaxy Note 9.

: Sure.

: Like how the fuck did that become that, right? And I wonder when I
see this HTC Vibe, I'm like, "What is that thing going to be 10 years
from now when we're making fun of what it is now?" I mean, how
ingrained, and how connected and interconnected is this technology
going to be in our life?

: It will be, at some point, indistinguishable from reality.

: We will lose this. We'll lose this. Like you and I are just looking
at each other through our eyes.

: Are we?

: I see you. You see me, I think, I hope.

: You think so?

: I think you probably have regular eyes.

: This could be some simulation.

: It could. Do you entertain that?

: Well, the argument for the simulation, I think, is quite strong
because if you assume any improvements at all over time, any
improvement, 1%, 0.1%, just extend the time frame, make it a thousand
years, a million years. The universe is 13.8 billion years old.
Civilization, if you count it, if you're very generous, civilization is
maybe 7000 or 8000 years old if you count it from the first writing.
This is nothing. This is nothing.

: So, if you assume any rate of improvement at all, then games will be
indistinguishable from reality, or civilization will end. One of those
two things will occur. Therefore, we are most likely in a simulation.

: Or we're on our way to one, right?

: Because we exist.

: Well, not just because we exist.

: Pretty exactly.

: We could most certainly be on the road. We could be on the road to
that, right. it doesn't mean that it has to have already happened.

: It could be in base reality. It could be in base reality.

: We could be here now on our way to the road or on our way to the
destination where this can never happen again, where we are completely
ingrained in some sort of an artificial technology or some sort of a
symbiotic relationship with the internet or the next level of sharing
information. But, right now, we're not there yet. That's possible too,
right? It's possible that a simulation is, one day, going to be
inevitable, that we're going to have something that's indistinguishable
from regular reality, but maybe we're not there yet. That's also
possible.

: Yes, it is.

: Though we're not quite there yet. This is real. You want to touch
that wood?

: It feel very real.

: Maybe that's why everybody is like into like mason jars and shit.

: Mason jars.

: Suede shoes. People that like craft restaurants, and they want raw
wood. Everyone wants the metal people. It seems like people are like
longing toward some weird log cabin type nostalgia.

: Sure, reality.

: Yeah, like holding on. Like clinging.

: Sure.

: Dragging their nails through the man like, "Don't take me yet."

: Yes.

: "I want to-"

: But then, people go get a mason jar with a wine stem or a handle.
That's dark.

: It makes me-

: It makes me lose faith in humanity.

: Mason jar, wine stem and a handle, they have those?

: Yes.

: The sturdy people. That's just assholes. That's like people make pet
rocks.

: Rough.

: Right. Some people are just assholes. They take advantage of our
generous nature.

: It was made with the wine stem. Made with handle.

: They made it that way?

: Yes. They're manufactured like that.

: So, the one way, they welded it on to the mason jar. You fuck.

: But that would be fine if there was like glued it on or something.

: Right. There would be like-

: But it was made that way.

: Like trash shit. Oh, this is disgusting. Look at this. It is right
there.

: Yes, it's pretty harsh. Yup.

: This is terrible. Yeah. That's like fake breasts that are designed to
be hard. Like fake breasts from the '60s. It's like if you really long
for the ones with ripples, here we go. Yeah. That's almost what that
is.

: Yeah.

: What are you going to do, man? There's nothing, you know. There's
nothing you can do to stop certain terrible ideas from propagating.

: Yeah. Anyway, I don't want to sound like things are too dark because
I think like you kind of have to be optimistic about the future.
There's no point in being pessimistic. It's just too negative because
it is-

: It doesn't help.

: It doesn't help, you know. I think you want to be I mean, my theory
is like you'd rather be optimistic. I think, I'd rather be optimistic
and wrong than pessimistic and right.

: Right.

: At least, we're on that side.

: Right, yeah.

: Because if you're pessimistic, it's going to be miserable.

: Yeah. Yeah, nobody wants to be around you anyway if it's the end of
the world. You're like, "I fucking told you, bro."

: Yeah, exactly.

: The world is ending. Yeah. It is way it is for all.

: I did my part.

: I mean-

: Enjoy the journey.

: Right. If you really want to get morose, I mean, it is what it is for
all of us anyway. We're all going to go, unless something changes.

: Yeah.

: I mean, ultimately, you know, even if we just sort of existed as
humans forever, we'd still eventually would be like the heat death of
the universe-

: Gazillion years from now.

: Right, even if we get it past the sun.

: Yeah.

: If we figure out a way past the sun running out of juice.

: Eventually, it's going to end. It's just a question of when.

: Right.

: So, it really is all about the journey.

: Or transcendence from whatever we are now into something that doesn't
worry about death.

: The universe, as we know it, will dissipate into a fine mist of cold
nothingness eventually.

: And then, someone's going to bottle it and put a fragrance to it,
sell it to French people in another dimension.

: It's just a very long time.

: Yeah.

: So, I think it's really just about, how can we make it last longer?

: Are you a proponent of the multi-universe's theory? Do you believe
that there are many, many universes, and that even if this one fades
out that there's other ones that are starting fresh right now, and
there's an infinite number of them, and they're just constantly in a
never-ending cycle of birth and death?

: I think most likely. This is just about probability. There are many,
many simulations. These simulations, we might as well call them
reality, or we could call them the multiverse.

: These simulations you believe are created like someone has
manufactured-

: They're running on the substrate.

: So-

: That substrate is probably boring.

: Boring?

: Mmhmm.

: How so?

: Well, when we create a simulation like a game or a movie, it's the
distillation of what's interesting about life. You know, it takes a
year to shoot an action movie. And then, that's all to slow down into
two or three hours. So, let me tell you, if you've seen an action movie
being filmed, it's freaking It's boring. It's super boring. It takes
  There's like lots of takes. Everything's in a green screen. It looks
pretty goofy. It doesn't look cool. But once you had the CGI, and have
great editing, it's amazing.

: So, I think, most likely, if we're a simulation, it's really boring
outside the simulation because why would you make simulation as boring?
You'd make simulation way more interesting than base reality.

: That is if this right now is a simulation.

: Yes.

: And, ultimately, inevitably, as long as we don't die or get hit by a
meteor, we're going to create some sort of simulation if we continue on
the same technological path we're on right now.

: Yes.

: But we might not be there yet. So, it might not be a simulation here.
But it most likely is you feel other places.

: This notion of a place or where is-

: Flawed?

: Yes.

: Flawed perception.

: Like that if you have that, sort of, that vibe you have, which is for
the that's was made by valve, and it's really valve that made it. HTC
did the hardware, but it's really a valve thing.

: Makers of Half-life.

: Yes. Great company.

: Great company.

: When you're in that virtual reality, which is only going to get
better, where are you? Where are you really?

: Right.

: You aren't anywhere.

: Well, whereas-

: You're in the computer.

: You know, what defines where you are?

: Exactly.

: Right.

: It's your perception.

: Is it your perceptions or is it, you know, a scale that we have under
your butt. You're right here. I've measured you. You're the same weight
as you were when you left. But meanwhile, your experience is probably
different-

: Why do you think you're where you are right now? You might not be.

: I'll buck up a joint if you keep talking. Your man is just going to
come in here. We might have to lock the door.

: Right now, you think you're in a studio in LA.

: That's what I heard.

: You might be in a computer.

: Man, I think about this all the time. Yeah, I mean, it's
unquestionable that one day that will be the case, as long as we keep
going, as long as nothing interrupts us, and if we start from scratch,
and, you know, we're single-celled organisms all over again. And then,
millions and millions of years later, we become the next thing that is
us with creativity and the ability to change this environment. It's
going to keep monkeying with things until it figures out a way to
change reality. To change I mean, almost like punch a hole through
what is this thing into what what it wants it to be and create new
things. And then, those new things will intersect with other people's
new things, and there will be this ultimate pathway of infinite ideas
and expression all through technology.

: Yeah.

: And then, we're going to wonder like, "Why are we here? What are we
doing?"

: Let's find out.

: Well-

: I mean, I think we should take the actions, the set of actions that
are most likely to make the future better.

: Yes, right.

: Yeah.

: Right. Right. And then, we evaluate those actions to make sure that
it's true.

: Well, I think there's a movement to that. I mean, in terms of like a
social movement. I think some of it's misguided, and some of it's
exaggerated, and there's a lot of people that are fighting for their
side out there. But it seems like the general trend of, like, social
awareness seems to be much more heightened now than has ever been in
any other time in history because of our ability to express ourselves
instantaneously to each other through Facebook, or Twitter, or what
have you. And that the trend is to abandon preconceived notions,
abandon prejudice, abandon discrimination, and promote kindness and
happiness as much as possible. Looking at this knife? Somebody gave it
to me. Sorry.

: Yeah. What is it?

: Fuck you. My friend, Donnie, brought this with him, and it just
stayed here. I have a real samurai sword, if you want to play with
that. I know you're into weapons. That's from the 1500s. Samurai's
something on the table.

: Good.

: Yeah.

: That's cool.

: I'll grab it. Hold on. Yeah, that's legit samurai sword from an
actual samurai from the 1500s. If you pull out that blade, that blade
was made the old way where a master craftsman-

: Folded metal?

: Folded that metal and hammered it down over and over again over a
long period of time, and honed that blade into what it is now. What's
crazy is that more than 500 years later, that thing is still pristine.
I mean, whoever took care of that and passed it down to the next person
who took care of it, and you know until it got to the podcast room,
it's pretty fucking crazy.

: Yeah.

: One day, someone's going to be looking at a Tesla like that. How many
of these fucking backdoor they pop off sideways like a Lamborghini?

: They should see what the Tesla can do. He didn't You should I'll
show you how to once.

: Well, I've driven one. I love them.

: Yeah, but most people don't know what it can do.

: In terms like ludicrous mode? In terms of like driving super fast and
irresponsibly on public roads, is that what you're saying?

: Any car can do that.

: Yeah. What can it do that I need to know about?

: I mean, the Model X can do this like ballet thing to the
Trans-Siberian Orchestra. It's pretty cool.

: Wait, it dances?

: Yes.

: Legitimate, like it goes around?

: Yes.

: Why would you program that into a car?

: It seemed like fun.

: That's what I get about you. That's what's weird. Like when you
showed up here, you were all smiles, and you pull out a fucking
blowtorch and not a blowtorch, but I'm like, "Look at this-"

: Not a flamethrower.

: Not a flamethrower. Like, "He's having fun."

: I want to be clear, it's definitely not a flamethrower.

: But you're having fun. Like this thing, you know, you program a car
to do a ballet dance, you're having fun.

: It's great.

: But how do you have the time to do that? I don't understand why
you're digging holes under the earth, and sending rockets into space,
and powering people in Australia. Like how the fuck do you have time to
make the car dance ballet?

: Well, I mean, in that case there were some engineers at Tesla that
said, "You know, what if we make this car dance and play music?" I'm
like, "That sounds great. Please do it. Let's try to get it done in
time for Christmas." We did.

: Is there a concern about someone just losing their mind and making it
do that on the highway?

: No, it won't do that.

: What if it's in bumper-to-bumper traffic?

: Nope.

: No, it won't do it?

: No. Actually, you have to sneeze drag.

: Oh, sneeze drag.

: Yeah, that's why people don't know about it. But if you have the car-

: Well-

: It's like it could do lots of things, lots of things.

: Once Reddit gets a hold of it, everyone's going to know already.

: You just have to Everyone, if you search for it on the internet,
you will find out.

: They will find.

: But people don't know that they should even search for it.

: Well, they do now.

: Yes.

: Yes.

: There's so many things about the Model X, and the Model S, and the
Model 3 that people don't know about. We should probably do a video or
something to explain it because I have close friends of mine and I say,
"Do you know the car can do this?" and they're like, "Nope."

: Do you want to do a video of that? Do you like the fact that some
people don't know?

: No, I think it's probably not. We should tell people.

: Yeah, probably.

: Yes.

: That would help your product. I mean, it's not like you don't sell
enough of them. You sell almost too many of them, right.

: I mean, I think, a Tesla is the most fun thing you could possibly buy
ever. That's what it's meant to be. Well, our goal is to make It's
not exactly a car. It's actually a thing to maximize enjoyment, make as
maximum fun.

: Okay. Electronic, like big screen, laptop, ridiculous speed,
handling, all that stuff.

: Yeah.

: Do you have a-

: And we're going to put video games in it.

: You are?

: Yeah.

: Is that wise?

: Well-

: What kind of video games? Candy Crush?

: You won't be able to drive while you're playing the video game. But,
like, for example, we're just putting the Atari emulator, RAM emulator
in it. So, we'll play a Missile Command, and Lunar Lander, and a bunch
of other things. Yeah.

: That sounds cool.

: It's pretty fun.

: I like that.

: Yeah. I mean, probe the interface for Missile Command because it's
too hard with the old trackball. So, there's a touch screen version of
Missile Command. So, you have a chance.

: Do you You have an old car, don't you? Don't you have like an old
Jaguar?

: Yeah. How did you know that? Let's pause for that. I have a '61
series 1 E-type Jaguar.

: I love cars.

: It's great.

: Yeah, I love old cars.

: The only-

: That's one of the things-

: Yeah, the only two gassing cars I have are that and an old like a
Ford Model T that a friend of mine gave me. Those are my only two
gasoline cars.

: Is the Ford Model T all stock? Oh, there's your car. Look at that.

: I have the convertible.

: That is a gorgeous car.

: It's a soft car.

: God, that's a good looking car.

: Yes.

: Is that yours?

: That is It's not mine. It's extremely close to mine, but I don't
have a front license plate on mine.

: It's a beautiful car. They nailed it. That new type-

: Mine looks like that.

: God, they nailed that.

: That's what mine looks like. Maybe it is mine.

: There's certain iconic shapes.

: Yes.

: And there's something about those cars too. They're not as capable,
not nearly as capable as like a Tesla, but there's something really
satisfying about the mechanical aspect of like feeling the steering,
and the-

: Yeah.

: grinding of the gears and the shifting. Something about those
that's extremely satisfying even though they're not that competent.
Like I have a 1993 Porsche 964. It's like lightweight. It's an RS
America. It's not very fast. It's not like in comparison to a Tesla or
anything like that. But the thing about it is like it's mechanical, you
feel it. Everything's like-

: Sure.

: It's like it gives you this weird thrill, like you're on this clunky
ride, and there's all this feedback. There's something to that.

: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, yeah. My E Type is like basically no
electronics.

: Yeah.

: It's-

: And so, you like that, but you also like electronics.

: Yes.

: Like Tesla Sup, it's like the far end of electronics.

: Yes.

: It drives itself.

: It's driving itself better every day.

: Yeah.

: We're about to release the software that will enable you to just turn
it on, and it'll drive from highway on ramp, to highway exit, do lane
changes, overtake other cars-

: Jesus.

: To go from one interchange to the next. If you get on, say, the 405,
get off 300 miles later, and go through several highway interchanges,
and just overtake other cars, and hook into the nav system, and then-.

: And you're just meditating, om.

: Yeah.

: While your car is just traveling.

: It's kind of eerie. It's kind of eerie.

: What did you think when you saw that video of that dude fallen asleep
behind the wheel? I'm sure you've seen it, the one in San Francisco.
It's like right outside of San Jose. It's out cold, like this. And the
cars an inch bumper-to-bumper in traffic moving along.

: Yeah.

: You've seen it, right?

: Yeah, yeah. We just changed the software. Changed the software.
That's, I think, an old video. We changed software. If you don't touch
the wheel, it will gradually slow down, and put the emergency lights
on, and wake you up.

: Oh, that's hilarious.

: Yeah.

: That's hilarious.

: Yeah.

: Can you choose what voice wakes you up?

: Well, it's sort of more of a It sort of honks.

: It honks.

: Yeah.

: There should be like, "Wake up, fuckface. You're endangering your
fellow humans."

: We could gently wake you up with a sultry voice.

: That would be good like something with a southern accent. "Hey, wake
up."

: Wake up, sunshine.

: Hey, sweetie.

: Exactly.

: Why don't you wake up?

: You could pick your-

: Right, like-

: Like whatever you want. Yes.

: Yeah, I choose the Australian girl for Siri.

: Yeah.

: I like her voice.

: Do you want it seductive?

: It's my favorite. I like Australian.

: What flavor? Do what you want it to be angry. It could be anything.

: You want those Australian prison lady genes. Now, when you program
something like that in, is this in response to a concern, or is it your
own?

: Yeah.

: Do look at it and go, "Hey, they shouldn't just be able to fall
asleep. Let's wake them up."

: Yeah, yeah. It's like You know, we're like Yeah, people are
falling asleep. We've got to do something about that.

: Right. But when you first released it, you didn't consider it, right?
You're just like, "Well, no one's going to just sleep."

: People fall asleep in their cars all the time.

: All the time.

: They crash.

: Yeah, it's horrible.

: At least, our car doesn't crash. That's better.

: Yeah.

: It's better not to crash.

: Yeah.

: Imagine if that guy had fallen asleep in a gasoline car, they do all
the time.

: For sure, yeah.

: They would crash into somebody.

: Yeah.

: And, in fact, the thing that really, you know, got me to It's like,
"Man, we better get a autopilot going and get it out." A guy was in an
early Tesla driving down the highway, and he fell asleep, and he ran
over a cyclist, and killed him. I was like, "Man, if we had autopilot,
he might have fallen asleep, but, at least, he wouldn't run over that
cyclist."

: So, how did you implement it? Like did you just use cameras and-

: Yeah.

: programmed with the system, so that if it sees images, it slows
down? And how much time do you get? And like-

: Yeah.

: Is the person who's in control of it allow the program to how fast it
goes?

: Yes. Yeah, you can program it to be more or less, like more
conservative or like more aggressive driver. And you can say what speed
you want it to What speed is okay.

: I know you have ludicrous mode. Do you have douche bag mode?

: Well, in-

: It just cuts people off.

: Well, for lane changes, it's tricky because if you're in like LA,
like unless you're pretty aggressive, right, it's hard to change lanes
sometimes.

: You can't. It's hard to be Satnam. It's hard to be Namaste here in
LA.

: Yeah.

: If you want to hit that Santa Monica Boulevard off in-

: I mean, you've got to be a little pushy.

: You've got to be a little pushy, yeah.

: On the freeway.

: Especially if you were angry.

: Yes.

: If you're a little angry, they don't want you, and they speed up.

: Sometimes, yeah, I think, people like overall are pretty nice on the
highway, even in LA, but sometimes they're not.

: Do you think the Neuralink will help that quick?

: Probably.

: Everybody will be locked in together, this hive mind.

: Tunnels will help it. We wouldn't have traffic.

: That will help a lot.

: Yes.

: How many of those can you put in there?

: Nice thing about tunnels-

: Are you thinking about for everybody?

: Nice thing about tunnels is you can go 3D.

: Oh right.

: So, you can go many levels.

: Right.

: So-

: Until you hit.

: Yeah, but you go You can have 100 levels of with bombs.

: Jesus Christ. I don't want to be on 99. That would be a negative 99
floors.

: This is one of the fundamental things people don't appreciate about
tunnels is that it's not like roads. The fundamental issue with roads
is that you have a 2D transport system and a 3D living and workspace
environment. So, you've got all these tall buildings or concentrated
work environments. And then, you want to go into those like 2D
transport system with-

: Hugely inefficient.

: pretty low density because cars are spaced out pretty far. And so,
that, obviously, is not going to work. You're going to have traffic
guaranteed. But if you can go 3D on your transport system, then you can
solve all traffic. And you can either go 3D up with a flying car, or
you can go 3D down with tunnels. You can have as many tunnel levels as
you want, and you can arbitrarily relieve any amount of traffic. You
can go further down with tunnels than you can go up with buildings.
You're 10,000 feet down if you want. I wouldn't recommended it, but-.

: What was that movie with What's his face? Bradley Not Bradley
Cooper, Christian? No. What the fuck is his name? Batman. Who is
Batman?

: Christian Bale.

: Christian Bale, where they fought dragons. Him and Matthew
McConaughey. He went down deep into the earth. How deep can you go?

: I don't think that was Batman.

: Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was.

: Batman fought dragons? I don't-

: No, it wasn't Batman but it's Christian Bale.

: The Rain of Fire.

: Rain of Fire.

: Okay.

: Never saw that?

: No.

: Terrible. Terrible but good. I would look at it some time.

: I wouldn't recommend drilling super far down but the earth is a big-

: Yeah, but you can't drill deep. It gets hot, right?

: molten

: Yeah.

: The earth is a giant ball of lava with a thin crust on the top, which
we think of as like the surface, this thin crust. And it's mostly just
a big bowl of lava. That's earth, but 10,000 feet is not a big deal.

: Have you given any consideration whatsoever to the flat earth
movement?

: That's a troll situation.

: Oh, it's not. No, it's not. You would like to think that-

: Okay.

: because you're super genius. But I, as a normal person, I know
these people are way dumber than me. And they really, really believe.
They watch YouTube videos, which go on uninterrupted, and spew out a
bunch of fucking fake facts very eloquently and articulately. And they
really believe. These people really believe.

: I mean, if it works for them, sure. Fine.

: It's weird though, right, that in this age where, you know, there's
ludicrous mode in your car, goes 1.9 seconds, 060.

: That's 2.2.

: 2.2. Which one's 1.9? The Coaster.

: The Next Generation Roadster.

: Okay.

: Standard edition.

: Yeah, I'm on top of this shit.

: That's just without-

: Standard edition.

: Yeah. So, it's not the performance package.

: What performance package?

: Yes.

: What the fuck do you need?

: We put a rocket thruster in it.

: For real?

: Yes.

: What are they going to burn?

: Nothing. Ultrahigh pressure compressed air.

: Whoa. Just air?

: Just called gas thrusters.

: Then, do you have the air tanks or the-

: Yeah.

: Sucking air, okay.

: Yeah. It has an electric pump.

: Whoa.

: Pump it up like 10,000 PSI.

: And how fast are we talking? Zero to 60.

: How fast you want to go?

: I want to go-

: We could make this thing fly.

: I want to go back in time.

: I can make it fly.

: You make it fly?

: Sure.

: Do you anticipate that as being I mean, you're talking about the
tunnels and then flying cars. Do you really think that's going to be
real?

: Too noisy, and there's too much airflow. So, the final issue with
flying cars, I mean, if you get like one of those like toy drones,
think of how loud those are and how much air they blow. Now, imagine if
that's like a thousand times heavier. This is not going to make your
neighbors happy. Your neighbors are not going to be happy if you land a
flying car in your backyard.

: It will be very helicopter-like.

: Or on your roof. It's just really going to be like, "What the hell.
That was annoying."

: Yeah.

: You can't even Like, if you want a flying car, just put some wheels
on a helicopter.

: Is there a way around that? Like what if they figure out some sort of
magnetic technology, like all those Bob Lazar type characters who were
thinking that was a part of the UFO technology they were doing at Area
51? Remember, didn't they have some thoughts about magnetics? Nope.

: No? Bullshit?

: Yes.

: Really?

: Yeah. There's a fundamental momentum exchange with the air. So, you
must accelerate. There's like this There's a sudden You have a
mass, and you have gravitational acceleration. And mass times Your
mass times gravity must equal the mass of airflow times acceleration of
that airflow to have a neutral force. MG=MA

: So, it's impossible to go around-

: And then you won't move.

: Okay.

: If MG is greater than MA, you will go down. And if MA is greater than
MG, you will go up. That's how it works.

: There's just no way around that?

: There is definitely no way around it.

: There's no way to create some sort of a magnetic something or another
that allows you to float?

: Technically, yes. You could have a strong enough magnet, but that
magnet would be so strong that you would create a lot of trouble.

: It would just suck cars up into your car? Just pick up axles and do
that?

: I mean, it should have to repel off of either material on the ground
or in a really nutty situation off of Earth's gravitational field, and
somehow make that incredibly light, but that magnet would cause so much
destruction. You'd be better off with a helicopter.

: So, if there was some sort of magnet road, like you have two magnets,
and they repel each other, if you had some sort of a magnet road that
was below you, and you could travel on that magnet road, that would
work?

: Yes. Yes, you can have a magnet road.

: A magnet road. Is that too ridiculous?

: No, it will work. So, you could do that.

: That's ridiculous too, right?

: I would not recommend it.

: There's a lot of things you don't recommend.

: I would super not recommend that. Not good. Not wise, I think.

: No?

: No.

: Magnet roads?

: No. No. No, definitely not. Definitely not. Yeah, it would cause a
lot of trouble.

: So, you put some time and consideration into this other than You
know, instead like my foolishly rendered thoughts. So, you think that
tunnels are the way to do it?

: Oh, it will work, for sure.

: That'll work?

: Yes.

: And these tunnels that you're building right now, these are basically
just like test versions of this ultimate idea that you have?

: You know, it's just a hole in the ground.

: Right. We played videos of it where your ideas-

: It's just a hole in the ground.

: that you drop that hole in the ground. There's a sled on it, and
the sled goes very fast, like 100 miles an hour plus.

: Yeah, it can go real fast. You can go as fast as you want. And then,
if you want to go long distances, you can just draw the air out of the
tunnel, make sure it's real straight.

: Draw the air out of the tunnel?

: Yeah, it's sort of vacuum tunnel because the And then, depending on
how fast you want to go, you're going to take these wheels, or you
could use air bearings depending upon the ambient pressure in the
tunnel, or you could mag lev it if you want to go super fast.

: So, magnet road?

: Yes, underground magnet roads.

: Underground magnet roads?

: Yeah. Otherwise, you're going to really create a lot of trouble
because of those metal things.

: Oh. So, magnet road is the way to go, just underground.

: If you want to go really fast underground, you would be mag lev in a
vacuum tunnel.

: Mag in a vacuum tunnel.

: Magnetic levitation in a vacuum tunnel launchers. Fun?

: With rocket launchers?

: No, I would not recommend putting any-

: Come on.

: exhaust gas in the tunnel.

: Oh, okay. I see what you're saying because then the air will be gone.

: Because, then, the air will pump it out.

: Right. You have to pump it out, and you probably have limited amount
of air in the first place. Like how much can you breathe? Do you have
to pump oxygen into these cubicles, these tubes?

: No. We have a pressurized pod. It'd be like a little tiny underground
spaceship basically.

: Like an airplane because you have air on airplanes. It's not getting
new air in.

: It is.

: It is?

: Yes.

: You have like a little hole?

: Yeah, they have a pump.

: Really?

: Yeah.

: So, it gets it from the outside?

: Yes.

: Wow, I didn't know that.

: It's like the air's Airplanes have it easy because, essentially,
you can they're pretty leaky, but-

: Jesus.

: Yeah, but as long as the air pump is working at a distance. I mean,
they have backup pumps, sort of like, you know, three pumps, or four
pumps, or something. And then, there's like It exhausts through the
outflow valve and through whatever seals are not sealing quite right.
Usually, the door doesn't seal quite right on the plane. So, there's a
bit of leakage around the door. But the pumps exceed the outflow rate.
And then, that sets the pressure in the cabin.

: Now, have you ever looked at planes and gone, "I can fix this."

: Yeah.

: "I just don't have the time."

: I have a design for a plane.

: You do?

: Yes.

: A better design?

: I mean, probably. I think it is, yes.

: Who have you talked to about this?

: I've talked to friends.

: Friends?

: Friends and-

: I'm your friend.

: Girlfriends and-

: You can tell me. What you got? What's going on?

: Well, I mean, the exciting thing to do would be some sort of electric
vertical takeoff and landing, supersonic jet of some kind.

: Vertical takeoff and landing meaning no need for a runway. Just shoot
up straight in the air.

: Yeah.

: How would you do that? I mean, they do that in some military
aircraft, correct?

: Yes. The trick is that you have to transition to level flight. And
then, the thing that you would use for vertical takeoff and landing is
not suitable for high-speed flight.

: So, you have two different systems? Vertical takeoff is one system?

: I've thought about this quite a lot. I've thought about this quite a
lot.

: Okay.

: I guess, thinking about an electric plane is that you want to go as
high as possible, but you need a certain energy density in the battery
pack because you have to overcome gravitational potential energy. Once
you've overcome gravitational potential energy, and you're out at a
high altitude, the energy use in cruise is very low. And then, you can
recapture a large part of the gravitational potential energy on the way
down. So, you really don't need any kind of reserve fuel, if you will,
because you have the energy of height, gravitational potential energy.
This is a lot of energy.

: So, once you can get high, like the way to think about a plane is
it's a force balance. So, the force balance So, a plane that is not
accelerating is a neutral force balance. You have the force of gravity,
you have the lift force, you have the wings. Then, you've got the force
of the whatever thrusting device, so the propeller, or turbine, or
whatever it is. And you've got the resistance force of the air.

: Now, the higher you go, the lower the air resistance is. Air density
drops exponentially, but drag increases with the square, and
exponential beats the square. The higher you go, the faster you will go
for the same amount of energy. And at a certain altitude, you can go
supersonic with less energy per mile, quite a lot less energy per mile
than an aircraft at 35,000 feet because it's just a force balance.

: I'm too stupid for this conversation.

: It makes sense though.

: No, I'm sure it does. Now, when you think about this new idea of of
design, when you have this idea about improving planes, are you going
to bring this to somebody and check this one out?

: Well, I have a lot on my plate.

: Right. That's what I'm saying. I don't know how you do what you do
now, but if you keep coming up with these. But it's got to be hard to
pawn this off on someone else either, like, "Hey, go do a good job with
this vertical takeoff and landing system that I want to implement to
regular planes.".

: The airplane, electric airplane isn't necessarily right now. Electric
cars are important. We need-

: We need some sort of-

: Solar energy is important. Stationary storage of energy is important.
These things are much more important than creating electric supersonic
futile. Also, the plane's naturally You really want that
gravitational energy density for an aircraft, and this improving over
time. So, you know, it's important that we accelerate the transition to
sustainable energy. That's why electric cars, it matters whether
electric cars happen sooner or later. You know, we're really playing a
crazy game here with the atmosphere or the oceans.

: Yeah.

: We're taking vast amounts of carbon from deep underground and putting
this in the atmosphere. It's just crazy. We should not do this. It's
very dangerous. So, we should accelerate the transition to sustainable
energy. I mean, the bizarre thing is that, obviously, we're going to
run out of oil in the long term. You know, we're going to There's
only so much oil we can mine and burn. It's totally logical. We must
have a sustainable energy transport and energy infrastructure in the
long term.

: So, we know that's the endpoint. We know that. So, why run this crazy
experiment where we take trillions of tons of carbon from underground
and put it in the atmosphere and oceans? This is an insane experiment.
It's the dumbest experiment in human history. Why are we doing this?
It's crazy.

: Do you think this is a product of momentum that we started off doing
this when it was just a few engines, a few hundred million gallons of
fuel over the whole world, not that big of a deal? And then, slowly but
surely over a century, it got out of control. And now, it's not just
our fuel, but it's also, I mean, fossil fuels are involved in so many
different electronics, so many different items that people buy. It's
just this constant desire for fossil fuels, constant need for oil-

: Yeah.

: Without consideration of the sustainability.

: You know, the things like oil, oil, coal, gas, it's easy money.

: Right.

: It's easy money. So-

: Have you heard about clean coal? The president's been tweeting about
it. It's got to be real. CLEAN COAL, all caps. Did you see? He used all
caps. Clean coal.

: Well, you know, it's very difficult to put that CO2 back in the
ground. It doesn't like being in solid form.

: Have you thought about something like that?

: It takes a lot of energy.

: Like some sort of a filter, giant building-sized filter sucks carbon
out in the atmosphere? Is that possible?

: No, no, it doesn't. It's not possible.

: No?

: No.

: No?

: Nope, definitely not.

: So, we're fucked?

: No, we're not fucked. I mean, this is quite a complex question.

: Right.

: You know, we're really just When we The more carbon we take out
of the ground and add to the atmosphere, and a lot of it gets permeated
into the oceans, the more dangerous it is. Like I don't think right I
think we're okay right now. We can probably even add some more but the
momentum towards sustainable energy is too slow.

: Like there's a vast base of industry, vast transportation system.
Like there's Two and a half billion cars and trucks in the world. And
the new car and truck production, if it was a 100% electric, that's
only about 100 million per year. So, it would take If you could snap
your fingers and instantly turn all cars and trucks electric, it would
still take 25 years to change the transport base to electric. It makes
sense because how long does a car and truck last before it goes into
the junkyard and gets crushed? About 20 to 25 years.

: Is there a way to accelerate that process, like some sort of
subsidies or some encouragement from the government financially?

: Well, the thing that is going on right now is that there is an
inherent subsidy in any oil-burning device. Any power plant or car is
fundamentally consuming the carbon capacity of the oceans and
atmosphere, or just the atmosphere for short. So, like, you can say,
okay, there's a certain probability of something bad happening past a
certain carbon concentration in the atmosphere.

: And so, there's some uncertain number where if we put too much carbon
into the atmosphere, things overheat, oceans warm up, ice caps melt,
ocean real estate becomes a lot less valuable, you know, if something's
underwater, but it's not clear what that number is. But, definitely,
scientists, it's really quite The scientific consensus is
overwhelming. Overwhelming.

: I mean, I don't know any serious scientist, actually zero, literally
zero who don't think, you know, that we have quite a serious climate
risk that we're facing. And so, that's fundamentally a subsidy
occurring with every fossil fuel burning thing, power plants, aircraft,
car frankly even rockets. I mean, rockets use up you know, they burn.
They burn fuel. But there's just you know, with rockets, there's just
no other way to get to orbit unfortunately. So, it's the only way.

: But with cars, there's definitely a better way with electric cars.
And to generate the energy, do so with photovoltaics because we've got
a giant nuclear reactor in the sky called the sun. It's great. It sort
of shows up every day, very reliable. So, if you can generate energy
from solar panels, store up with batteries, you can have energy 24
hours a day.

: And then, you know, you can send to the polls or in the air to the
north with, you know, high voltage lines. Most of the northern parts of
the world tend to have a lot of hydropower as well. But, anyway, all
fossil fuel-powered things have an inherent subsidy, which is their
consumption of the carbon capacity of the atmosphere and oceans.

: So, people tend to think like why should electric vehicles have a
subsidy, but they're not taking into account that all fossil
fuel-burning vehicles fundamentally are subsidized by the cost, the
environmental cost to earth, but nobody's paying for it. We are going
to pay for it, obviously. In the future, we'll pay for it. It's just
not paid for now.

: And what is the bottleneck in regards to electric cars, and trucks,
and things like that? Is it battery capacity?

: Yeah. You got to scale up production. You got to make the car
compelling, make it better than gasoline or diesel cars.

: Make it more efficient in terms of, like, the distance it can travel?
You're going to be fueling-

: Yeah, you're going to be able to go far enough, recharge fast.

: And your Roadster, you're anticipating 600 miles. Is that correct?

: Yeah, yeah.

: What is it? What is that?

: Yeah, 600 miles.

: Is that right now? Like have you driven one 600 miles now?

: No. We could totally make one right now that would do 600 miles, but
the thing is too expensive. So, like the car's got to-

: How much more so?

: Well, you know, just have a chartered kilowatt hour battery pack, and
you can go 600 miles as long as you're-

: Right, versus what do you have now?

: 330-mile range. That's plenty for most people.

: 330-mile range. And what is that mean in terms of kilowatts?

: Well, that would be for Model S, 100-kilowatt hour pack will do about
330 miles. Maybe 335 because some people have hyper mild it to 500
miles per mile.

: Hyper mild it. What does that mean?

: Yeah, just like go on-

: 45 miles an hour or something?

: Yeah, like 30 miles an hour or so. It's like on level ground with
You pump the tires up really well, and go on a smooth surface, and you
can go for a long time. But, you know, like definitely comfortably do
300 miles.

: Is there any-

: This is fine for most people. Usually, 200 or 250 miles is fine. 300
miles is You don't even think about it really.

: Is there any possibility that you could use solar power,
solar-powered one day, especially in Los Angeles? I mean, as you said
about that giant nuclear reactor, a million times bigger than Earth
just floating in the sky. Is it possible that one day, you'll be able
to just power all these cars just on solar power? I mean, we don't ever
have cloudy days if we do just three of them.

: Well, the surface area of a car is without making the car look really
blocky or having some-

: Like a G wagon.

: Yeah, and just like if it looked a lot of surface area, or like maybe
like solar panels fold out, or something-

: Like your E class. That's what it needed.

: That E type?

: Yeah, the Jaguar E type with a giant long hood, that could be a giant
solar panel.

: Well, at the beginning of Tesla, I did want to have this like
unfolding solar panel thing. They'd press a button, and it would just
like unfold these solar panels, and like charge/recharge your car in
the parking lot. Yeah, we could do that, but I think it's probably
better to just put that on your roof.

: Right, yeah.

: And then, it's going to It should be facing the sun all the time
because like-

: What car have that on the roof?

: Otherwise, your car could be in the shade. You know, it could be in
the shade, it could be in a garage, or something like that.

: Right.

: Yeah.

: Didn't the Fisker have that on the roof? The Fisker Karma New
Generation for I believe, it was only for the radio. Is that correct?

: Yeah, I mean, but I think it could like recharge like two miles a day
or something.

: Did you laugh when they started blowing up when they get hit with
water? Do you remember what happened?

: They got what?

: Yeah, they had a dealership or-

: Oh yeah.

: The Fisker Karmas were parked-

: Is that like that with a flood in Jersey?

: Yes, yes.

: Yeah.

: When the hurricane came in, they got overwhelmed with water, and they
all started exploding. There's a fucking great video of it. Did you
watch the video?

: I didn't watch the video, but I did see It's like some picture of
the aftermath.

: If I was you, I'd be naked, lubed up, watch that video, laugh my ass
off. They all blow up. They got wet, and they blew up. That's not good.

: Yeah, we made our battery waterproof, so that doesn't happen.
Actually-

: Smart move.

: Yeah, there was a guy in Kazakhstan that I think it was Kazakhstan
that he just boated through a tunnel, an underwater tunnel, like a
flooded tunnel, and just turned the wheels to steer, and pressed the
accelerator, and it just floated through the tunnel.

: Wow.

: And he steered around the other cars. I mean, like-

: That's amazing.

: It's on the internet.

: What happens if your car gets a little sideways, like if you're
driving in snow? Like what if you're driving, if you're autopilot is
on, and you're in like Denver, and it snows out, and your car gets a
little sideways, does it correct itself? Does that-

: Oh yeah. It's got great traction control.

: But does it know how to like correct? You know how, like, when your
Ascend-

: Oh yeah, sure.

: kicks, you know how to counter steer?

: Oh, yeah. No, it's really good.

: It knows how to do it?

: Yeah.

: Whoa.

: It's pretty crazy.

: That's pretty crazy.

: Yeah.

: So, like if you're going sideways, it knows how to correct itself?

: It generally won't go sideways.

: It won't?

: No.

: Why not?

: It will correct itself before it goes sideways.

: Even in black eyes?

: Yeah. There's videos where you could see the car, the traction-

: Not alone.

: Traction control system is very good. It makes you feel like
Superman. It's great. You like feel like you can Like it's It will
make you feel like this incredible driver.

: I believe it.

: Yeah.

: Now, how do you program that?

: We do have testing on like an ice lake in Sweden.

: Oh really?

: Yeah. And like Norway, and Canada, and a few other places.

: Porsche does a lot of that too? They do-

: They did it as well?

: They do a lot of their They do some of their driver training school
on these frozen surfaces. So, you're just The car is going sideways
whether you like it or not. And you have to learn how to slide into
corners, and how do we test.

: Yeah. Electric cars have really great traction control because the
reaction time is so fast.

: Right.

: Sort of like where you're gassing a car, you've got a lot of latency.
It takes a while for the engine to react, but for electric motors,
incredibly precise. That's why you're like You imagine like if you
had like a printer or something, you wouldn't have a gasoline engine
printer. That would be pretty weird or like a surgical device. It's
going to be an electric motor on the surgical device on the printer.
Gasoline engine's going to be just chugging away. It's not going to
have the reaction time.

: But to an electric motor, it's operating at the most second level.
So, it can turn on and off traction within, like, inches of getting on
the onus. Like, let's say, you're driving on a patch of ice, it will
turn traction off, and then turn it on a couple inches right after the
ice, like a little patch of ice because in the frame of the electric
motor, you're moving incredibly slowly. You're like a You're a snail.
You're just moving so slowly because it can see at a thousand frames a
second. And so, it's like, say, one Mississippi. It just thought about
it things a thousand times.

: So, it's to realize that your wheels are not getting traction. It
understands there's some slippery surface that you're driving on.

: Yes.

: And it makes adjustments in real time.

: Yes, in milliseconds.

: That would be so much safer than a regular car.

: Yes, it is.

: Just that alone, for loved ones, you'd want them to be driving your
car.

: Yes. The-

: Or on board. Fuck motors. Dude, fuck regular motors.

: That S, X, and 3 have the lowest probability of injury of any cars
ever tested by the US government.

: Whoa.

: So, this Yeah, but it's pretty fun. It's pretty crazy. Like we
You know, people still sue us like they'll have like some accident at
60 miles an hour where they'd like twisted an ankle, and they slipped.
Like they will be dead in another car, they still sue us.

: But that's to be expected, isn't it?

: It is to be expected.

: Do you take that into account with like the same sort of fatalistic,
you know, undertones to sort of just go, "You've got to just let it go.
This is what people do."

: I tell you I've got-

: This is what it is.

: Quite a lot of respect for the justice system. Judges are very
smart. And they see they've as like I haven't. So far, I've found
judges to be very good at justice because like what and juries are
good too. Like, they're actually quite good. You know, people You
know, you read about like occasional errors in the justice system. Let
me tell you, most the time, they're very good.

: And like the other guy mentioned who fell asleep in the car, and he
rode over a cyclist. And that was what encouraged me to get autopilot
out as soon as possible. That guy sued us.

: He sued you for falling asleep?

: Yes. I'm not kidding. He blamed it on the new car smell.

: What?

: Yes.

: He blamed him falling asleep on your new car smell. Does someone
that's a lawyer-

: This is a real thing that happened.

: Someone that's a lawyer that thought that through in front of his
laptop before he wrote that up.

: Yes, he got a lawyer, and he sued us, and the judge was like, "This
is crazy. Stop bothering me. No."

: Thank God.

: Yes.

: Thank God. Thank God there's a judge out there with a brain.

: I tell you, judges are very good.

: Some of them.

: I have a lot of-

: What about that judge that sent all these boys up the river in
Pennsylvania who was selling those kids out? You know about that story?

: Nope.

: Judge was selling young boys to prisons. He was like literally-

: What?

: Yeah, literally, under bribes for He was-

: Was this an elected judge or-

: He was-

: Because sometimes you have a judge that's like actually a politician.

: No, he was a elected judge. This is a very famous story.

: Okay.

: He's in jail right now, I think, for the rest of his life. And he put
away He would take like a young boy who would do something like steal
something from a store, and he would put them in detention for, you
know, five years. Something ridiculous egregious. And they investigated
his history. And they found out that he was literally being paid off.
Was it by private prisons? Is that what the the deal was? There was
some sort of But, anyway, this judge is-

: Actually, two judges.

: Two judges?

: Two judges. Kids for cash scandals, let's call them.

: Yeah.

: 2008, yeah. Common pleas judges. So, I think they are elected.

: And who was paying them? Someone It proven to the point where
they're in jail now that someone was paying them to put more asses in
the seats in these private prisons.

: It's like a million-dollar payment to put them in a youth center
builder.

: A million-dollar payment?

: Yeah.

: I do think these private prisons thing is-

: Someone business.

: creating a bad incentive.

: It's dark.

: Right, yes. But, I mean, that judge is in prison.

: Thank God.

: Yes, but for people who think perhaps the justice system consists
entirely of judges like that, I want to assure you-

: No.

: this is not the case. The vast majority of judges are very good.

: I agree.

: And they care about justice, and they could have made a lot more
money if they wanted to be a trial lawyer. And instead, they cared
about justice, and they made less money because they care about
justice. And that's why they're judges.

: I feel that same way about police officers.

: Yes.

: I feel like there's so many interactions with so many different
people with police officers that the very few that stand out that are
horrific, we tend to look at that like, "This is evidence that police
are all corrupt." And I think that's crazy.

: No. Most police are very honest.

: Yes.

: And like the military-

: Like they have an insanely-

: personnel that I know-

: Yes.

: are very honorable, ethical people.

: Yes.

: And much more honorable and ethical than the average person. That's
my impression.

: I agree. That's my impression as well.

: And that's not to suggest that we be complacent and assume everyone
is honest and ethical. And, obviously, if somebody is given a trusted
place in society, such as being a police officer or a judge, and they
are corrupt, then we must be extra vigilant against such situations-

: Yes.

: and take action. But we should not think that this is somehow
broadly descriptive of people in that profession.

: I couldn't agree more. I think there's also an issue with one of the
things that happens with police officers, prosecutors, and anyone
that's trying to convict someone or arrest someone is that it becomes a
game. And in games, people want to win.

: Yeah.

: And sometimes, people cheat.

: Yes, yes. I mean, you know, if you're a prosecutor, you should not
always want to win. There are times when you should like, "Okay. I just
should not want to win this case." And then, you know, like just pass
on that case. Sometimes, people want to win too much. That is true.

: I think, also, it becomes tough. If you're like a district attorney,
you know, you tend to sort of see a lot of criminals. And then, your
view of the world can get negatively.

: Yes.

: You know, have a negative You know, you can have a negative view of
the world because, you know, you're just interacting with a lot of
criminals. But, actually, most of society is not to consist of
criminals.

: Right.

: And I, actually, had this conversation at dinner several years ago
with, I guess, it's Tony. I was like, "Man, it must, sometimes, seem
pretty, pretty dark because, you know, man, there's some terrible human
beings out there. And he was like, "Yup." And he was like dealing with
some case, which consisted of a couple of old ladies that would run
people over somehow for insurance money. It was rough. Like, "Wow,
that's pretty rough." It's like hard to maintain faith in humanity if
you're a district attorney, but, you know, it's only a few percent of
society that are actually bad.

: And then if you go to the worst, say 0.1% of society are the worst,
one in a thousand, one in a million, you know. Like how bad is the
millionth worst person in the United States? Pretty damn bad. Like damn
evil.

: Yeah,

: Like the millionth, well, one in a million of evil is so evil, people
cannot even conceive of it. But there's 330 million people in the
United States. So, that's 330 people out there somewhere. But by the
same token, there's also 330 people who are incredible angels and
unbelievably good human beings.

: Yeah.

: On the other side.

: But because of our fear of danger, we tend to our thoughts tend to
gravitate towards the worst-case scenario.

: Yes.

: And we want to frame that. And that's one of the real problems with
prejudice, whether it's prejudice towards different minorities, or
prejudice towards police officers, or anything, it's like we want to
look at the worst-case scenario and say, "This is an example of what
this is all about.".

: And you see that even with people, how they frame genders. Some men
frame women like that. They get ripped off by a few women, and they
said, "All women are evil." Some women get fucked over by a few men,
"All men are shit." And this is very toxic.

: It is.

: And it's also It's a very unbalanced way of viewing the world, and
it's very emotionally-based, and it's based on your own experience,
your own anecdotal experience. And it can be very influential to the
people around you, and it's just it's a dangerous way. It's a dangerous
thought process and pattern to promote.

: It is. It is a very dangerous, but I really think, you know, people
should give other people the benefit of the doubt and assume that they
are good until proven otherwise. And, I think, really, most people are
actually pretty good people. Nobody's perfect.

: They have to be.

: Yes.

: If you think of vast numbers of us that are just interacting with
each other constantly-

: Yeah.

: we have to be better than we think we are.

: Yes. I mean, like-

: There's no other way.

: I mean, here are these weapons but how many times, like, nobody's
presumably try to murder you and you're-

: Nobody yet.

: Yes, nobody. It's like the sword right there.

: Not the flamethrower, fake flamethrower here-

: Exactly.

: It's not a flamethrower. Now, we've got a real problem, I'm going to
put it on that side to him and leave it for the guests.

: Yeah.

: I'm like, "Look, man, if I say something that fucked up, it's right
there."

: It will liven things up for sure. It's guaranteed to make any party
better.

: Yeah. Well, that's I mean, that's the armed civilization theory,
right. An armed community is safe and polite community.

: You know, in Texas, it's kind of true. Yeah. I mean-

: People in Texas are super polite. Therefore, they've got a gun.

: Yes. Don't make somebody angry.

: Yeah.

: We don't know what's going to happen.

: Yeah, it's a good move.

: Yeah.

: Piss people off, and everybody are going to have a gun.

: Yeah.

: You're off to just let that guy get in your lane.

: Yeah, yeah. You know, we got a big test site in Central Texas near
Waco.

: Oh yeah? Beautiful.

: Yes, Space X in McGregor. It's about 15 minutes away from Waco.

: That's close to where Ted Nugent lives.

: It is?

: Shout out to Ted Nugent.

: Okay, cool.

: Yeah.

: Yeah, there's You know, we have lots of fire, and loud explosions,
and things, and people-

: I bet.

: they are cool with it.

: They don't give a fuck out there.

: They're very supportive.

: Yeah. You can buy fireworks where, you know, your kids go to school.

: Yeah. You know, it's dangerous.

: Yeah, but it's free.

: It's free.

: There's something about Texas-

: Exactly.

: that's very enticing because of that. It is dangerous, but it's
also free.

: Right.

: Yeah.

: Yeah. I kind of like Texas actually.

: I prefer it over places that are more restrictive but more liberal
because you could always be liberal. Like just because things are free
and just because you have a certain amount of, you know, right wing
type characters, it doesn't mean you have to be that way, you know.

: No.

: And, honestly, there's a lot of those people that are pretty fucking
open minded and let you do whatever you want to do.

: Right.

: As long as you don't bother them.

: Yeah, exactly.

: That's my hope right now with the way we're able to communicate with
each other today and how radically different it is than generations
past because we all Just, the dust settles. We all realize, like what
you're saying that most people are good.

: Most people are good.

: The vast majority?

: Yes. I think if you give people the benefit of doubt, for sure.

: I think you're right. You know who could help with that? Mushrooms.

: Mushrooms.

: Don't you think?

: They're delicious.

: Yeah, right.

: Yeah.

: They're good for you too.

: Yeah.

: All of them. All kinds of them. What do you see in terms of, like,
when you think about the future of your companies, what do you see is
like bottlenecks? Want some more of this?

: Sure. Thank you.

: What do you see in terms of like bottlenecks of things that are
holding back innovation? Is it regulatory commissions and people that
don't understand the technology that are influencing policy? Like what
could potentially be holding you guys back right now? Is there anything
that you would change?

: Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I wish politicians were
better at science. That would help a lot.

: That's a problem.

: Yes.

: There's no incentive for them to be good at science.

: There isn't. Actually, you know, they're pretty good at science in
China, I have to say.

: Yeah?

: Yeah. The mayor of Beijing has, I believe, an environmental
engineering degree, and the deputy mayor has a physics degree. I met
them, And Mayor says, "Shanghai is really smart and-".

: You're up on technology. What do you think about this government
policy of stopping use of Huawei phones? And there's something about
the the worry about spying. I mean, from what I understand from real
tech people, they think it's horseshit.

: Oh I-.

: Like phones.

: I don't know. I don't know.

: Like the government say, "Don't you buy Huawei phones." Are you up on
that at all? No? Should we just abandon this idea?

: Well, I think, like, I guess, if you have like top secret stuff, then
you want to be pretty careful about what hardware you use. But, you
know, like most people do not have top secret stuff.

: Right.

: And, like, nobody really cares what porn you watch like, you know.

: Right, yeah.

: It's like nobody actually cares, you know. So-.

: If they do, that's kind of them.

: Yeah.

: It's just like-

: National spy agencies do not give a rat's ass which porn you watch.
They do not care. So, like, what secrets does a national spy agency
have to learn from the average citizen? Nothing.

: Well, that's the argument against the narrative. And the argument by
a lot of these tech people is that the real concern is that these
companies, like Huawei, are innovating at a radical pace, and they're
trying to stop them from integrating into our culture and letting this.
Like right now, they're the number two cell phone manufacturer in the
world.

: Okay.

: Samsung is number one. Huawei is number two. Apple is now number
three. They surpassed Apple as number two. And the idea is that this is
all taking place without them having any foothold whatsoever in
America. There's no carriers that have their phones. You have to buy
their phones unlocked through some sort of a third party, and then put-

: Okay.

: And the worry is, you know, that these are somehow another controlled
by the Chinese government. The Communist Chinese government is going to
distri bute these phones. And I don't know if the worry's economic
influence or they'll have too much power. I don't know what it is. Are
you paying attention on any of this?

: Not really.

: No?

: I don't think we should worry too much about Huawei phones, you know.
Maybe, you know, a national security agency shouldn't have Huawei
phones. Maybe that's a question mark. But I think for the average
citizen, this doesn't matter. Just like no, they're not. I'm pretty
sure the Chinese government does not care about the goings of the
average American citizen.

: Is there a time where you think that there will be no security, it
will be impossible to hold back information that whatever bottleneck
we'll let go, we're going to give in? That whatever bottleneck between
privacy and ultimate innovation will have to be bridged in order for us
to achieve the next level of technological proficiency that we're just
going to abandon it, and there'll be no security, no privacy?

: Do people want privacy? Because they seem to put everything on the
internet. Practically-.

: Well, right now, they are confused, but when you're talking about
your Neuralink, and this this idea that one day, we're going to be able
to share information, and we're going to be some sort of a thing that's
symbiotically connected?

: Yeah. I think we really worry about security in that situation

: And when-

: For sure. That's like security will be paramount.

: Sure.

: Yeah.

: But, also, what we will be. This will be so much different. Our
concerns about money, about status, about where all of these things
will seemingly go by the wayside if we really become enlightened, if we
really become artificially enlightened by some sort of an AI interface
where we have this symbiotic relationship with some new internet type
connection to information? But, you know, what happens then? What is
important? What is not important? Is privacy important when we're all
gods?

: I mean, I think the things that we think are important to keep
private right now-

: Right.

: we probably will not think going forward.

: Shame, right? Information, right? What are hiding? Emotions? What are
we hiding?

: I mean, I think, like, I don't know. Maybe it's like embarrassing
stuff.

: Right, embarrassing stuff.

: But there's actually Like, I think, people, there's like not that
much that's kept private that people that is actually relevant.

: Right.

: That other people would actually care about. When you think other
people care about it, but they don't really care about it. And,
certainly, governments don't.

: Well, some people care about it. But, then, it gets weird when it
gets exposed. Like Jennifer Lawrence, when those naked pictures got
exposed, like, I think, in some ways, people liked her more.

: Yeah.

: They realized like she's just a person. It's just a girl who likes
sex, and is just alive, and has a boyfriend, and sends him messages.
And, now, you get to look into it, and you probably shouldn't have, but
somebody let it go, and they put it online, and all right.

: She seems to be doing okay.

: She's a person. She's just you, and me, and it's the same thing.
She's just in some weird place where she's on a 35-foot tall screen
with music playing every time she talks.

: Yeah. I mean, I'm sure like not-

: No, but she's fine.

: She's not happy about it, but she's-

: No.

: But she's clearly doing fine.

: But once this interface is fully realized where we really do become
something far more powerful in terms of our cognitive ability, our
ability to understand irrational thoughts, and mitigate them, and that
we're all connected in some sort of an insane way. I mean, what are our
thoughts on wealth, our thoughts on social status? Like how many of
those just evaporate? And our need for privacy, maybe our need for
privacy will be the ultimate bottleneck that we'll have to surpass.

: I think, the things that we think are important now will probably not
be important in the future, but there will be things that are
important. It's just, like, different things.

: What will be more important?

: I don't know. There might be some more of ideas potentially. I don't
think Darwin's going away.

: Right.

: Darwin's going to be there.

: That was that, yeah.

: Darwin will be there forever.

: Forever, yeah.

: It would just be a different arena. Different arena.

: A digital arena.

: Different arena. Darwin is not going away.

: What keeps you up at night?

: Well, it's quite hard to run companies.

: Yeah.

: Especially car companies, I would say. It's quite challenging.

: The car business is the hardest one of all the things you do?

: Yes, because it's a consumer-oriented business as opposed to like
SpaceX and-

: Not that SpaceX because SpaceX is no walk in the park, but a car
company, it's very difficult to keep a car company alive. It's very
difficult. You know, there's only two companies in the history of
American car companies that haven't gone bankrupt, and that's Ford and
Tesla. That's it.

: Yeah, Ford rode out that crazy storm, huh? They're the only one.

: By the skin of their teeth.

: Shot out to the Mustang.

: Yeah.

: Yeah, by the skin of their teeth. That is interesting, right?

: Same with Tesla, we barely survived.

: How close did you get to folding?

: Very close. I mean, 2008 is not a good time to be a car company,
especially a startup car company, and especially an electric car
company. That was like stupidity squared.

: And this is when you had those cool Roadsters with the T-top?

: Yeah.

: With a target top?

: Yeah. We had like a It was highly modified Elise chassis. The body
was completely different. By the way, that was a super dumb strategy
that we actually did because we-

: What's dumb?

: It was based on two false premises. One false premise was that we
would be able to cheaply convert the Lotus Elise, and use that as a car
platform, and that we'll be able to use technology from this little
company called AC Propulsion for the electric drive train on the
battery. Premise, the AC propulsion technology did not work in
production, and we ended up using none of it in long-term. None of it.
We had to resign everything.

: And then once you add a battery pack and electric motor to the car,
it got heavier. It got 30% heavier. It invalidated the entire
structure, all the crash structure. Everything had to be redone.
Nothing. Like, I think, it had less than 7% of the parts were common
with any other device including cars or anything.

: 7%?

: Yes.

: Everything? Including tires, and wheels, bolts, brakes?

: Yeah, even every-

: Steering wheel? Seat?

: The steering wheel was I think, the steering wheel was almost the
same. Yes, the windscreen. The windscreen.

: Different?

: No. I think, the windscreen is the same.

: Same?

: Yes. I think, we were able to keep the windscreen.

: But the last was 7%. So, that's basically-

: Every body panel is different. The entire structure was different. We
couldn't use the, like, the HVAC system, the air conditioner. It was
belt-driven air conditioner. So, now, we needed something that was
electrically driven. We need a new AC compressor.

: And all that takes away from the battery life as well, right?

: Yeah. We need a small highly efficient air conditioning system that
fit in a tiny car and was electrically powered, not belt-driven. It was
very difficult.

: How much of those weigh, those cars, the Roadster?

: I think it was 2700 pounds.

: That's still very light.

: 27. Depending on which version, 2650 to 2750 pounds, something like
that.

: And what was the weight distribution?

: It was about 50 Well, there were different versions of the car. So,
it's about 55 on the rear.

: That's not bad.

: It was rear bias.

: Right, but not bad. Considering like a 911, which is like one of the
most popular sports cars of all time. Heavy rear end bias.

: Well, I mean, yeah. The 911, I'm not going to joke, is like the
master despite Newton not being on their side.

: Yeah.

: I guess, fighting Newton, it's very difficult.

: Well-

: It's like you've got those The moments of inertia on a 911 don't
make any sense.

: They do once you understand them. Once you understand-

: You don't want to hang the engine off the ass. This is not a wise
move.

: You don't want to let up on the gas when you're in a corner.

: The problem with something where the engine is mounted over the rear
axle or off the rear axle towards the rear is that your polar moment of
inertia is fundamentally screwed. You cannot solve this. It's
unsolvable. You're screwed. Polar moment of inertia, you're screwed.

: Right.

: Like, essentially, if you spawn the car like a top, that's your polar
moment of inertia. You're just I promise I wouldn't swear on this
show, by the way.

: Really?

: Yeah.

: Says who?

: This was for a friend.

: Tell that friend to go fuck himself. Who told you not to swear?

: A friend.

: He's not a good friend.

: Yeah.

: That friend need to-

: I said I wouldn't swear.

: realize you're fucking Elon Musk. You can do whatever you want,
man. If you ever get confused, call me.

: I'll swear in private. Swear up a storm.

: Okay, just say freaking. It's a fun way. It's like old house moms.
Wives and shit that have children, "Oh, this freaking thing."

: Yeah. But, anyway, like the Portia, it's kind of incredible how well
Porsche handles given that it's the physics-.

: Yes.

: The moments of inertia are so messed up. To actually still make it
work well is incredible.

: Well, if you know how to turn into the corner once you get used to
the feeling of it, there's actual benefits to it. You know, there are
some benefits.

: I enjoy. The car I had before, Tesla was a 911.

: Okay.

: That was-

: 997 or 6?

: Yeah.

: 997?

: Yeah.

: Yeah. Great car, man.

: Yeah. I mean, particularly, the Porsche wouldn't have the variable
veins on the turbo, and it didn't have the turbo lag. That was great.

: Yeah.

: That was really great. The turbo lag is, like, you know, if you
flirt, like phone home, call your mom.

: The older one, right?

: It's like about an hour later-

: Yeah.

: the car accelerates.

: And super dangerous too because where it will start spinning and-

: Yeah.

: Yeah. There's something fun about it though like feeling that rear
weight kicking around, you know. And again-

: No, it's great.

: it's not efficient.

: It had a good feel to it.

: Yeah.

: Yeah, I agree.

: But that's what I was talking about earlier about that little car
that I have, the '93 911. It's not fast. It's not the best handling
car, but it's more satisfying than any other car I have because it's so
mechanical. It's like everything about it, like crack holes, and bumps,
and it gives you all this feedback. And I take it to the comic store
because when I get there, I feel like my brain is just popping, and
it's on fire. It's like a strategy for me now that I really stop
driving other cars there. I drive that car there just for the brain
juice, just for the-

: Yeah.

: The interaction.

: I mean, you should try Model S P100D.

: I'll try it.

: It will blow your mind-

: Okay.

: and your skull.

: Okay.

: Yeah.

: Tell me what to order, I'll order it.

: Model S P100D.

: Okay. Jamie, write it down.

: That's the car that I drive.

: Okay. Okay, I'll get the car you drive. Okay.

: It will blow your mind-

: How far can I drive?

: out of your skull.

: I believe you.

: Yeah.

: How far can I drive? How far can I drive?

: About 300 miles.

: That's good. For LA regular days, that's good.

: You will never notice the battery.

: Never?

: Never.

: How hard is it to get like one of them crazy plugs installed in your
house? That difficult?

: No, it's super easy. It's like, yeah.

: Do you-

: It's like a dryer plug. It's like a dryer outlet.

: Didn't you come up with some crazy tiles for your roof that are solar
paneled?

: Yeah, yeah. I have it on my roof right now actually. I'm just trying
it out. The thing is it takes a while to test roof stuff because roofs
have to last a long time.

: Right.

: So, like, you want your roof to last like 30 years.

: Could you put it over a regular roof?

: No. So, there's two versions. It's like the solar panels you put on a
roof. So, like, it depends on whether your roofs new or old. So, if
your roofs new, you don't want to replace the roof. You want to put
like solar panels on the roof.

: Right.

: So, that's like retrofit, you know. And they were trying to make the
retrofit panels look real nice. But then, the new product were coming
out with it is if you have a roof that's either you're building a house
or you're going to replace your roof anyway, then you make the tiles
have solar cells embedded in the tiles.

: And then, it's quite a tricky thing because you want to not see the
solar cell behind the glass tile. So, you have to really work with the
glass, and the various coatings, and the layers, so that you don't see
the solar cells behind the glass. Otherwise, it doesn't look right.

: Right.

: So, it's really tricky.

: There it is. Jaime, put it up there.

: Yeah.

: Man, that looks good. Is there a-

: See, like, if you look closely, you can see. If you zoom in, like,
you can see the cell. But if you zoom out, you don't see the cell.

: Right, but it looks though.

: See?

: Yeah.

: Like that's hard.

: That's invisible solar cells.

: It's really hard because you have to get the sunlight go through.

: Right.

: But when it gets reflected back out, it doesn't it hides the fact
that there's a cell there.

: Now, are those available to the consumer right now?

: Well, we have I think, that's-

: Those on that roof right there?

: Yes.

: That's amazing. Oh, that looks good.

: Yeah.

: Ooh, I like that.

: That one is hard.

: Oh. So, you get that kind of fake Spanish looking thing. I like that.

: That's French slate.

: That's why people in Connecticut are smoking pipes. Look at that one.

: Yeah.

: That's badass, dude. So, now-

: This will actually work.

: I believe you. So, the solar panels that are on that house that we
just looked at, is that sufficient to power the entire home?

: It depends on your energy on how efficient-

: Expenditure?

: Yeah, yeah.

: Right.

: So, generally, yes. I would say it's probably for most. It's going to
vary, but anywhere from more than you need to maybe half. Like call it
half to 1.5 of the energy that you need, depending on how much roof you
have relative to living space.

: And how ridiculous you are with your TV.

: TVs no problem. Air conditioning.

: Air conditioning.

: Air conditioning is the problem. If you have an efficient air
conditioner, and you don't and depending on how like, are you air
conditioning rooms when they don't need to be air conditioned, which is
very common-

: Right.

: because it's a pain in the neck, you know. It's like programming a
VCR. It's like-

: Right.

: Now, it's just blinking 12:00. So, people are just like, "The hell
with that. I'm just going to make it this temperature all day long.".

: Right. You know how a smart home where if you're in the room, then it
stays cool, right?

: Yeah, it should predict when you're going to be home, and then cool
the rooms that you're likely to use with a little bit of intelligence.
We're not talking about like genius home here. We're talking like
elementary basic stuff.

: Right.

: You know, like if you could hook that into the car, like manage you
coming home. Like there's no point cooling the home-

: Right.

: keeping the home really cool when you're not there.

: Right.

: But it can tell that you're coming home, it's just going to cool it
to the right temperature right when you get there.

: Do you have an app that works with your solar panels or anything like
that?

: Yeah. Yeah, we do.

: And-.

: But we need to hook it into the air conditioning to really make the
air conditioning work.

: Have you thought about creating an air conditioning system? I know
you have. Trick question.

: Cannot answer questions about the future of potential products.

: Okay. Let's just let it go. We'll move on to the next thing.

: That would be an interesting idea.

: Yeah, I would say radiant heating and all that, good ideas. Now, when
you think about the efficiency of these homes, and you think about
implementing solar power and battery power, is there anything else that
people are missing? Is there any other Like, I just saw a smartwatch
that is powered by the heat of the human body, and some new technology.

: It's able to fully power that way?

: I don't know-

: Okay.

: if it's fully or if it's Like this watch right here, this is a
Casio.

: Okay.

: It's called a Pro Trek. And it's like an outdoors watch, and it's
solar-powered.

: Okay.

: And so, it has the ability to operate for a certain amount of time on
solar.

: Yeah.

: So, if you have it exposed, it could function for a certain amount of
time on solar.

: Yeah. Well, you know, like there's self-weighting watches where-

: Yeah.

: you know, it's just got a weight in the watch. And as you move your
wrist, the way it moves from one side to the other, and it winds the
watch up. That's a pretty cool thing.

: Yeah, yeah.

: Yeah.

: Well, it's amazing that like Rolexes that it's all done mechanically.

: Yeah.

: There's no batteries in there. There is no nothing.

: Yeah. You could do the same thing. You create a little charger that's
based on wrist movement. It really depends on how much energy your
watch uses.

: You know what's fucked up about that though? We accept a certain
amount of like fuckery with those watches. Like I brought my watch. I
have a Rolex that my friend, Lorenzo, gave me, and I brought it to the
watch store, and I said, "This thing's always fast." I said, "It's
always like after a couple of months, it's like five minutes fast." And
they go, "Yup." They go, "Yeah."

: Really?

: "It's just what it does."

: Okay.

: I go, "Hold on." I go, "So, you're telling me that it just is always
going to be fast?" They're like, "Yeah. It's just like every few
months, you get like reset it."

: It seems like they should recalibrate that thing.

: They can't. They tried. They say, every few months, whether it's four
months, or five months, or six months, it's going to be a couple of
minutes fast.

: Okay. It seems like they should really recalibrate that because-

: You should figure that shit out.

: if it's always fast, you can just-

: Right.

: you know, delete those minutes.

: You need to fucking kick down the door at Rolex and go, "You bitches
are lazy."

: It's kind of amazing that you can keep time mechanically on a
wristwatch with these tiny little gears.

: It's amazing.

: Yeah.

: I mean, the whole luxury watch market is fascinating. I'm not that
involved in terms Like I don't buy them. I've bought them as gifts. I
don't buy them for myself. But when I look at them online, there's a
million dollar watches out there now that are like they have like a
little rotating moons and stars.

: Yeah.

: And they live Like look at this thing, how much is that when Jaime?

: I don't know. I just picked one.

: These are fucking preposterous guess. I like gears. I love them. I
love them.

: Yeah. I think that is beautiful.

: But there's some of these people that are just taking it right in the
ass. They're buying these watches for like $750,000 . Like, "Yeah,
that's a Timex, son." Nobody knows. It's not any better than some Casio
that you could just buy on Like, look at that though.

: Well, here's the thing. If you're a person that doesn't just want to
know the time, you want craftsmanship, you want some artisan's touch,
you want innovation in terms of like a person figuring out how gears
and cogs all line up perfectly, to every time it turns over, it's
basically a second. I mean, that's just There's this art to that.

: Yeah, I agree.

: Yeah, it's not just telling time. Yeah, I like this watch a lot, but
if it got hit by a rock, I wouldn't be sad.

: Yeah.

: It's just to watch. It's a mass-produced thing that runs on some
quartz battery. But those things, there's art to that.

: Yeah. No, I agree. It's beautiful.

: Yeah.

: Yeah. Love it.

: Yeah. There's something amazing about it. It's-

: Right.

: Because it represents the human creativity. It's not just electronic
innovation. There's something. It's a person's work in that.

: Yes.

: You don't have a watch on.

: No.

: Ever?

: I used to have a watch.

: What happened?

: My phone tells the time. So-

: That's a good point. Well, if you lose your phone? Do you Wait,
hold on.

: It's true.

: Let me guess, you are a no case guy.

: That's correct. Living on the edge. Living on the edge without a
case.

: Neil deGrasse Tyson. Neil deGrasse Tyson was in here last week. I'm
marveled at his ability to get through life without a case.

: That's right.

: You know, he takes his phone, and he flips it in between his fingers
like a soldier would do with his rifle.

: Right.

: He just rolls that shit in between his fingers.

: Okay.

: It's marvelous.

: Wow.

: He says that's the reason why they do it. He said, "Would you look at
someone who has a rifle, why would they do that? Why would they flip it
around like that?"

: Right.

: It's like, it goes to drop, they have it in their hand. They catch it
quickly.

: Yeah.

: So, that's what he does with his phone. He's just flipping his phone
around all the time. I got that in Mexico. I was hoping it holds joint.

: Does it do anything? It tips to open.

: No.

: Just a hole?

: It's just a hole.

: You could store things in there.

: Yeah. But like try it. Put a joint in there. Close it. You put like
one blunt. One, that seems pretentious. You know, that's the idea
behind it. I bought it when I was in Mexico because I figured it would
be a good size to hold joints, or it's not.

: So, is that a joint or is it a cigar?

: No.

: Okay.

: It's marijuana inside of a tobacco.

: Okay. So, it's like posh, part tobacco a pot.

: Yeah. You never had that?

: Yeah. I think I tried one once.

: Come on, man. You probably can't because of stockholders, right?

: I mean, it's legal, right?

: Totally legal.

: Okay.

: How does that work? Do people get upset at you if you do certain
things? It's just tobacco and marijuana in there. That's all it is. The
combination of tobacco and marijuana is wonderful. First turned on to
it by Charlie Murphy, and then reignited by Dave Chappelle. There you
go.

: Plus whiskey.

: Exactly.

: Perfect. It balances it out.

: Alcohol is a drug that's been grandfa thered in.

: Well, it's not just a drug. It's a drug that gets a bad rep because
you just have a little, it's great.

: Fine.

: Yeah, little sip here and there, and your inhibitions are relaxed,
and it shows your true self. And, hopefully, you're more joyous, and
friendly, and happy, and everything. The real worry is the people that
can't handle it. Like the real worry about people who can't handle cars
and go 016 in 1.9 seconds or anything.

: Have you ever considered something that Like, imagine if one day,
everyone has a car that's on the same, at least, technological standard
as one of your cars, and everyone agrees that the smart thing to do is
not just to have bumpers but to perhaps have some sort of a magnetic
repellent device, something, some electromagnetic field around the cars
that as cars come close to each other, they automatically radically
decelerate because of magnets or something.

: Well, I mean, our cars brake automatically.

: Brake?

: Yeah.

: Yeah. When they see things?

: Yes.

: But like a physical barrier, like-

: Well, the wheels work pretty well.

: The wheels do.

: Yeah, yeah. They work pretty well. Decelerated at, you know, 1.1 to
1.2 Gs, that kind of thing.

: Is your concern that one day all your cars will be on the road, and
then, there'll still be regular people with regular cars 20-30 years
from now that will get in the mix and be the main problem?

: Yeah. I think, it'd be sort of like, you know, there was a time of
transition where there were horses and gasoline cars on the road at the
same time. It's been pretty weird.

: That would be the weirdest.

: Yeah. I mean, horses were tricky. You know, back when Manhattan had
like 300.000 horses, then figure out like if a horse lives 15 years,
you got 20,000 horses dropping dead every day or every year, I should
say. Every year, it's 20,000 horses. If there's 300,000 horses in a
15-year lifespan.

: Back in the Gangs of New York days, that movie.

: Yeah.

: Yeah.

: It's a lot of dead horses. You needed a horse to move the horse.

: Right.

: They'll probably get pretty freaked out if they have to move our dead
horse.

: Do you think they know what's going on?

: Yeah.

: Do you think it's as hard?

: I mean, it's got to be like pretty weird.

: No, I would imagine.

: Like, in my mind, dragging this dead, you know, horse around, and I'm
a horse.

: Do you-

: They might not like it.

: Do you ever stop and think about your role in civilization? Do you
ever stop and think about your role in the culture? Because me, as a
person, who never met you until today, when I think of you, you know,
I've always thought of you as being this weirdo super inventor dude who
just somehow or another keeps coming up with new shit, but there's not
a lot of you out there. Like everybody else seems to be I mean,
obviously, you make a lot of money, and there's a lot of people that
make a lot of money. You like that clock?

: Yeah.

: Pretty dope, right?

: This is a great clock.

: You want one? I'll get you one.

: Sure.

: Okay, done.

: I like weird things like this.

: Oh, this is the coolest. It's TGT Promotion. What is this? TGT
Studios? TGT Studios.

: Yeah.

: Yeah. So, a gentleman who makes all this by hand. Yeah, it's really
cool.

: My study is filled with weird devices.

: Well, get ready for another one.

: All right.

: I'm sending it your way.

: Cool.

: You want a werewolf too? I'll hook you up.

: All right. I'll take one.

: Okay. You want a werewolf and one clock coming up. Do you think about
your role in the culture? Because me, as a person, who never met you
until today, I've always looked at you and like, "Wow." Like, "How does
this guy just keep inventing shit?" Like, how do you how do you keep
coming up with all these new devices? And do you ever consider how
unusual Like I had a dream once that there was a million Teslas.
Instead of like one Tesla, there was a million Teslas.

: Okay.

: Not just the car but Nikola.

: Oh, yeah, sure.

: And that in his day, there was a million people like him who were
radically innovative.

: Wow.

: It was a weird dream, man. It was so strange. And I've had it more
than once.

: That would result in a very rapid technology innovation. That's for
sure.

: It's one of the only dreams of my life I've had more than one time.

: Okay, wow.

: Like where I've woken up, and it's in the same dream. I'm in the same
dream. And in this dream, it's 1940s, 1950s, but everyone is severely
advanced. There's flying blimps with like LCD screens in the side of
them. And everything is bizarre and strange. And it stuck with me for
whatever Obviously, this is just a stupid dream. But for whatever
reason, all these years, that stuck with being. Like it takes one man,
like Nikola Tesla, to have more than a hundred inventions that were
patents, right. I mean, he had some-

: He's pretty great.

: pretty fucking amazing ideas.

: Yes.

: But there was-

: Definitely.

: In his day, there was very few people like him.

: Yeah, that was true.

: What if there was a million? Like what in the experience-

: Things would advance very quickly.

: Right, but there's not a million Elon Musks. There's one
motherfucker. Do you think about that or you just try to not?

: I don't think. I don't think you'd necessarily want to be me. That'd
be good.

: Well, what's the worst part about you?

: I should. I never thought people would like it that much.

: Well, most people would, but they can't be. So, that's like some
superhero type shit. You know, we wouldn't want to be Spiderman. I'd
rather just sleep tight in Gotham City and hope he's out there doing
his job.

: It's very hard to turn it off.

: Yeah. What's the hardest part?

: It might sound great if it's turned on, but what if it doesn't turn
off?

: Now, I showed you the isolation tank, and you've never experienced
that before.

: No.

: I think that could help you turn it off a little bit just for the
night.

: Okay.

: Yeah. Just give you a little bit of sleep, a little bit of
perspective. It's magnesium that you get from the water as well that
makes you sleep easier because the water has Epsom salts in it. But may
be some sort of strategy for sacrificing your or not sacrificing but
enhancing your biological recovery time by figuring out a way whether
it's through meditation or some other ways to shut off that thing at
night. Like you must have like a constant stream of ideas that's
running through your head all the time. You're getting text messages
from chicks.

: No. I'm getting text messages from a friend saying, "What the hell
are you doing smoking weed?".

: Is that bad for you? It's legal.

: Yeah.

: I mean-

: It's government approved.

: It's not You know, I'm not a regular smoker of weed.

: How often do you smoke it?

: Almost never. I mean, it's-

: How does it feel?

: I don't actually notice any effect.

: Well, there you go. There was a time where I think it was Ramadan for
someone gave some Buddhist monk a bunch of acid.

: Okay.

: And he ate it, and it had no effect on him.

: I doubt that.

: I would say that too, but I've never meditated to the level that some
of these people have where they're constantly meditating all day. They
don't have any material possessions. And all of their energy is spent
trying to achieve a certain mindset. I would like to cynically deny
that. I'd like to cynically say, "Hey, just fuck and think the same way
I do." They're just hanging out with flip flops on and make weird
noises, but maybe no.

: You know, I know a lot of people like weed, and that's fine, but I
don't find that it is very good for productivity.

: For you.

: Not for me.

: Yeah. I mean, I would imagine that for someone like you, it's not.
For someone like you, it would be more like a cup of coffee, right. You
want to have a latte.

: Yeah. It's more like the opposite of a cup of coffee.

: What is that?

: It's like a cup of coffee in reverse.

: Weed is?

: Yeah.

: No, I'm saying you would like more. More like will be beneficial to
you. It would be like coffee.

: I like to get things done. I like to be useful. That is one of the
hardest things to do is to be useful.

: When you say you like to get things done-

: Yes.

: like, in terms of like what-

: I should get things done.

: gives you satisfaction? When you complete a project, when something
that you invent comes to fruition, and you see people enjoying it, that
feeling.

: Yes, doing something useful for other people that I like doing.

: That's interesting for other people.

: Yes.

: So, that, do you think that that is maybe the way you recognize that
you have this unusual position in the culture where you can uniquely
influence certain things because of this? I mean, you essentially have
a gift, right.

: Sure.

: I mean, you would think it was a curse, but I'm sure it's been fueled
by many, many years of discipline and learning. But you, essentially,
have a gift and that you have this radical sort of creativity engine
when it comes to innovation and technology. It's like you're just
you're going at very high RPMs.

: All the time. That doesn't stop.

: What is that like?

: I don't know what would happen if I got into a sensory deprivation
tank.

: Let's try it.

: It sounds a little concerning.

: But why?

: It's like running the engine with no resistance. That is-

: Is that what it is though? Maybe it's not.

: Maybe it's fine. I don't know.

: How much-

: I'll try it. I'll try it.

: Have you ever-

: It's fine.

: experimented with meditation or anything?

: Yes.

: What do you do, or what have you done rather?

: I mean, just sort of sit there, and be quiet, and then repeat some
mantra, which acts as a focal point. It does still the mind. It does
still the mind, but I don't find myself drawn to it frequently.

: Do you think that perhaps productivity is maybe more attractive to
you than enlightenment or even the concept of whatever enlightenment
means. Like, what are you trying to achieve when you're meditating all
the time? With you, it seems like almost like there's a franticness to
your creativity that comes out of this burning furnace. And in order
for you to like calm that thing down, you might have to throw too much
water on it.

: It's like a never-ending explosion.

: Like what is it like? Try to explain it to a dumb person like me.
What's going on?

: Never-ending explosion.

: It's just constant ideas just bouncing around.

: Yes.

: Damn.

: Yeah.

: So, when everybody leaves, it's just Elon sitting at home brushing
his teeth, just bunch ideas bouncing around your head.

: Yeah, all the time.

: When did you realize that that's not the case with most people?

: I think, when I was, I don't know, five or six or something. I
thought I was insane.

: Why did you think you were insane?

: Because it is clear that other people do not. Their mind wasn't
exploding with ideas all the time.

: So, they weren't expressing it. They weren't talking about it all
day. And you realized by the time you were five or six like, "Oh,
they're probably not even getting this thing that I'm getting."

: No. It was just strange. It was like, "Hmm, kind of strange." That
was my conclusion, kind of strange.

: But did you feel diminished by it in any way? Like knowing that this
is a weird thing that you really probably couldn't commiserate with
other people, they wouldn't understand you.

: I hope they wouldn't find out because they might like put me away or
something.

: You thought that?

: For a second, yes.

: When you were little?

: Yeah. They put people away. What if they put me away?

: Like when you were little, you thought this?

: Yes.

: Wow. Well, you thought, "This is so radically different than the
people that are around me if they find out I got this stream coming
in."

: Yeah.

: Whoa.

: But, you know, I was only like five or six probably.

: Do you think this is like I mean, there's outliers biologically.
You mean, there's people that are 7 foot 9, there's people that have
giant hands, there's people that have eyes that are 20/15 vision.
There's always the outliers. Do you feel like you like caught this,
like you have got some you're like on some weird innovation
creativity sort of wave that's very unusual? Like you tapped into I
mean, just think of the various things you may have accomplished in a
very short amount of time, and you're constantly doing this. That's a
weird You're a weird person, right.

: Right, I agree.

: Yeah. Like what if there's a million Elon Musks?

: Well, that would be very, very weird.

: Whoa.

: Yeah, it would be pretty weird. I agree.

: Real weird.

: Definitely.

: Yeah.

: What if there were a million Joe Rogans?

: There probably is. There's probably two million. I mean, I think
that's the case with a lot of folks.

: Yeah. I mean, but, like, you know, my goal is like try to do useful
things, try to maximize the probability for the future's good, make the
future exciting, something you look forward to, you know. You know,
with Tesla, I want to try to make things that people love. Like, how do
you think you could buy that you really love, that really give you joy?
So rare, so rare. I wish there were more things. That's what we try to
do. Just make things that somebody loves.

: When you-

: That's so difficult.

: When you think about things that someone loves, like, do you
specifically think about like what things would improve people's
experience, like what would change the way people interface with life
that would make them more relaxed or more happy? You really think,
like, when you're thinking about things like that, is that like one of
your considerations? Like what could I do that would help people-

: Yeah.

: that maybe they wouldn't be able to figure out?

: Yeah. Like what are the set of things that can be done to make the
future better? Like, you know, like so, I think, a future where we are
a space-faring civilization and out there among the stars. This is very
exciting. This makes me look forward to a future. This makes me want
that future. You know, the things, there need to be things that make
you look forward to waking up in the morning.

: You wake up in the morning, you look forward to the day, you look
forward to the future. And a future where we are a space-faring
civilization and out there among the stars, I think, that's very
exciting. That is a thing we want; whereas, if we knew we would not be
a space-faring civilization but forever confined to Earth, this would
not be a good future. That would be very sad, I think.

: It would be so sad in terms-

: Like I don't want a sad future.

: just the finite lifespan of the Earth itself-

: Yes.

: and the solar system itself. But even though it's possibly You
know, I mean, how long do they feel like the sun and the solar system
is going to exist? How many hundreds of millions of years?

: Well, it's probably, if you're saying when does the sun boil the
oceans-

: Right.

: About 500 million years.

: So, is it sad that we never leave because in 500 million years, that
happens? Is that what you're saying?

: No. I just think like if there are two futures, and one future us
we're out there among the stars, and the things we read about and see
in science fiction movies, the good ones are true, and we have these
starships, and we're going see what other planets are like, and we're a
multi-planet species, and the scope and scale of consciousness is
expanded across many civilizations, and many planets, and many star
systems, this is a great future. This is a wonderful thing to me. And
that's what we should strive for.

: But that's biological travel. That's cells traveling physically to
another location.

: Yes.

: Do you think that's definitely where we're going?

: No.

: Yeah, I don't think so either. I used to think so. And, now, I'm
thinking more likely less than ever. Like almost every day less likely.

: We can definitely go to the moon and Mars.

: Yeah. Do you think we will colonize?

: I think we will go to the asteroid belt. And we can go to the moons
of Jupiter, Saturn, even get to Pluto.

: That'd be the craziest place ever if we colonize Mars, and reform it,
and turn it into like a big Jamaica. Just oceans and-

: I think, we should. I think that would be great.

: I mean, imagine that there is-

: That would be great. Amazing.

: It's possible, right?

: Yes.

: We can turn the whole thing into Cancn.

: Well-

: I mean, over time.

: It wouldn't be easy but yes.

: Right.

: You could just warm You could warm it up.

: Yeah, you can warm it up. You could add air. You get some water
there. I mean, over time, hundreds of millions of years or whatever it
takes.

: We'll be a multi-planet species.

: Yeah, that would be amazing.

: We're a multi-planet species.

: If we could-

: That's what we want to be-

: legitimately like air-condition-

: Great.

: Saturn.

: I'm pro-human.

: Me too. Yeah, me too.

: I love humanity. I think it's great.

: We're glad as a robot that you love humans because we love you too,
and we don't want you to kill us and eat us. And-

: I mean, you know, strangely, I think a lot of people don't like
humanity and see it as a blight, but I do not.

: Well, I think one of those I think, part of that is just they've
been you know, they've been struggling. When people struggle, they
associate their struggle with other people. They never internalize
their problems. They look to other people as holding them back, and
people suck, and fuck people, and it's just You know, it's a never
ending cycle. But not always. Again, most people are really good. Most
people, the vast majority.

: This may sound corny.

: It does sound corny.

: But love is the answer.

: It is you answer.

: Yup.

: Yeah, it is. It sounds corny because we're all scared. You know,
we're all scared of trying to love people, being rejected, or someone
taking advantage of you because you're trying to be loving.

: Sure.

: What if we all could just relax and love each other?

: It wouldn't hurt to have more love in the world.

: It definitely wouldn't hurt.

: Yeah.

: It would be great.

: Yeah, we should do that.

: Yeah, I agree, man.

: Like really.

: How are you going to fix that? Do you have a love machine you're
working on?

: No, but probably spend more time with your friends and less time on
social media.

: Now, deleting social media from your applications, from your phones,
will that give you a 10% boost to happiness? What do you think the
percentage is?

: I think probably something like that, yeah.

: Yeah, a good 10%.

: Yeah, I mean, the only thing I've kept is Twitter because I kind of
like meet some means of getting a message out, you know.

: Right.

: Well, that's about it. So far so good.

: Well, what's interesting with you, you actually occasionally engage
with people on Twitter.

: Yeah, that's-

: What percentage of that is a good idea?

: Good question.

: Probably 10%, right? It's hard.

: It's mostly I think, it's on balance, more good than bad, but
there's definitely some bad. So-.

: Do you ever-

: Hopefully, the good outweighs the bad.

: Do you ever think about how odd it is, the weird feeling that you get
when someone says something shitty to you on Twitter, and you read it?
That weird feeling. This weird little negative jolt. It's like a
subjective negative jolt of energy that you don't really need to
absorb, but you do anyway. Like, "I want to fuck this guy. Fuck him."

: I mean, there's a lot of negativity on Twitter.

: It is, but it's a weird in it's form. Like the way, if you ingest it
as if you're like you try to be like a little scientist as you're
ingesting it, you're like, "How weird is this?" And I'm even getting
upset at some strange person saying something mean to me. It's not even
accurate.

: I mean, the vast number of negative comments, for the vast majority,
I just ignore them, the vast majority.

: Yeah.

: Every now and again, you have draw in, something not good.

: It's not good.

: You make mistakes.

: Yes, you can make mistakes.

: We can make some mistakes.

: We're all human. We can make mistakes. Yeah, it's hard. And people
love it when you say something, and you take it back, and they're like,
"Fuck you. We saved it forever. I'll fucking screenshot that shit,
bitch. You had that thought. You had that thought." I'm like, "Well, I
deleted it." "Not good enough. You had the thought. I'm better than
you. I never had that thought. You had that thought, you piece of shit.
Look, I saved it. I put it on my blog. Bad thought."

: Yeah. I'm not sure why people think that anyone would think that
deleting a tweet makes them go away. It's like, "Hello, been on the
internet for a while."

: Yeah. Well it's even like-

: Anything is forever.

: And the thing is they don't want you to be able to delete it because
the problem is if you don't delete it, and you don't believe it
anymore, it's really hard to say, "Hey, that thing above, I don't
really believe that anymore. I changed the way I view things."

: Yes.

: Because people would go, "Well, fuck you. I have that over there. I'm
going to just take that. I'm not going to pay attention to that shit
you wrote underneath it."

: It's on your permanent record.

: Yeah. It's forever like a tattoo.

: Like high school, "We'll put this on your permanent record."

: Yeah. It's like a tattoo. You keep it.

: Yeah.

: Yeah. Well, it's this thing where there's a lack of compassion. It's
a lack of compassion issue. People are just like intentionally shitty
to each other all the time online, and trying to catch-

: Yeah.

: They're more trying to catch people doing something that's
arrestable, like a cop trying to, like, get, you know, arrests on his
record. It's like they're trying to catch you for something, more than
they're logically looking at it thinking it's a bad thing that you've
done, or that it's an idea they don't agree with so much, they needed
to insult you. They're trying to catch you.

: Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's way easier to be mean on social media than
it is to be mean in person.

: Yes.

: Way easier.

: Yeah.

: Yeah.

: It's weird. It's not a normal way of human interacting. It's
cheating.

: True.

: You're not supposed to be able to interact so easily when the people
are not looking at.

: Yes.

: You would never do that. Don't be so mean when somebody looking in
their eyes. If you did, you'd feel like shit.

: Most people.

: Yeah, unless you're a sociopath, you'd feel terrible.

: Yes.

: Elon Musk, this has been a pleasure.

: Yeah, likewise.

: It really has been.

: It's been an honor. Thank you for having me.

: Thanks for doing this because I know you don't do a lot of long form
stuff like this. I hope I didn't weird you out, and I hope you don't
get mad that you smoked weed.

: I mean-

: It's not bad. It's legal. We're in California. This is just as legal
as this whiskey we've been drinking.

: Exactly.

: This is all good, right?

: Cheers.

: Cheers. Thank you. Is there any message you would like to put out
other than love is the answer, because I think you really nailed it
with that.

: No. I think, you know, I think people should be nicer to each other,
and give more credit to others, and don't assume that they're mean
until you know they're actually mean. You know, just, it's easy to
demonize people. You're usually wrong about it. People are nicer than
you think. Give people more credit.

: I couldn't agree more. And I want to thank you not just for all the
crazy innovations you've come up with and your constant flow of ideas
but that you choose to spread that idea, which is very vulnerable, but
it's very honest, and it resonates with me.

: It's true.

: And I believe it.

: It's true.

: I believe it's true too. So, thank you.

: You're welcome.

: All you assholes out there, be nice. Be nice, bitch. All right. Thank
you, everybody. Thank you, Elon.

: All right, thank you.

: Good night, everybody.



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1:I would rather commit seppuku than fail
   ~ Elon Musk,
2:I dont think there is one[a secret], but I work a lot.
   ~ Elon Musk,
3:I'm just trying to think about the future and not be sad.
   ~ Elon Musk,
4:I guess ill have to start a company, cause I cant get a job anywhere
   ~ Elon Musk,
5:We should be excited about the future and striving to go beyond the horizon." ~ Elon Musk,
6:I think we should take the set of actions that are most likely to make the future better, and then reevaluate those actions to make sure that its true. ~ Elon Musk, Joe Rogan Experience, 1169,
7:With artificial intelligence, we are summoning the demon. In all those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water, it's like, yeah, he's sure he can control the demon. Didn't work out. ~ Elon Musk,
8:Work like hell. I mean you just have to put in 80 to 100 hour weeks every week. [This] improves the odds of success. If other people are putting in 40 hour work weeks and you're putting in 100 hour work weeks, then even if you're doing the same thing you know that... you will achieve in 4 months what it takes them a year to achieve.
   ~ Elon Musk,
9:I think it's important to reason from first principles rather than by analogy. The normal way we conduct our lives is we reason by analogy. [With analogy] we are doing this because it's like something else that was done, or it is like what other people are doing. [With first principles] you boil things down to the most fundamental truths ... and then reason up from there. ~ Elon Musk,
10:I almost? had some slight existential crisis, cause I was trying to figure out what does it all mean? what is the purpose of things? I came to the conclusion that if we can advance the knowledge of the world, if we can do things that expand the scope and scale of consciousness then were better able to ask the right questions and become more enlightened and thats really the only way forward
   ~ Elon Musk,
11:Elon Musks Reading List
   J. E. Gordon - Structures: Or Why Things Don't Fall Down
   Walter Isaacson - Benjamin Franklin: An American Life
   Walter Isaacson - Einstein: His Life and Universe
   Nick Bostrom - Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies
   Erik M. Conway & Naomi Oreskes - Merchants of Doubt
   William Golding - Lord of the Flies
   Peter Thiel - Zero to One: Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Future
   Isaac Asimov - The Foundation Trilogy
   ~ Elon Musk, CNBC,

*** WISDOM TROVE ***

1:Great companies are built on great products. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
2:I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
3:I started SpaceX with the expectation of failure. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
4:For my part, I will never give up, and I mean never. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
5:I think it matters whether someone has a good heart. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
6:Many things are improbable, only a few are impossible. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
7:If I can find a way to work and not eat I would do that. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
8:I don't think it's a good idea to plan to sell a company. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
9:When you struggle with a problem, that's when you understand it. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
10:I think we are at the dawn of a new era in commercial space exploration. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
11:Will this activity result in a better product? If not, stop those efforts. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
12:We need to be super careful with AI. Potentially more dangerous than nukes. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
13:No I don't ever give up. I would have to be dead or completely incapacitated. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
14:You should be innovating so fast that you're invalidating your prior patents. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
15:If humanity doesn't land on Mars in my lifetime, I would be very disappointed. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
16:You should take the approach that you’re wrong. Your goal is to be less wrong. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
17:Entrepreneurship is like eating glass and walking on hot coals at the same time. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
18:We need to figure out how to have the things we love, and not destroy the world. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
19:What I'm trying to do is to maximise the probability of the future being better. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
20:For me it was never about money, but solving problems for the future of humanity. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
21:Failure is an option here. If things are not failing, you are not innovating enough. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
22:I don't create companies for the sake of creating companies, but to get things done. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
23:When I was in college, I wanted to be involved in things that would change the world. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
24:Persistence is very important. You should not give up unless you are forced to give up. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
25:If something is important enough, even if the odds are against you, you should still do it. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
26:It's OK to have your eggs in one basket as long as you control what happens to that basket. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
27:If you had to buy a new plane every time you flew somewhere, it would be incredibly expensive. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
28:If something's important enough, you should try. Even if you - the probable outcome is failure. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
29:You shouldn't do things differently just because they're different. They need to be... better. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
30:There's a tremendous bias against taking risks. Everyone is trying to optimize their ass-covering. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
31:Mars is the only place in the solar system where it's possible for life to become multi-planetarian. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
32:Most people can learn a lot more than they think they can. They sell themselves short without trying. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
33:Selling an electric sports car creates an opportunity to fundamentally change the way America drives. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
34:People should pursue what they're passionate about. That will make them happier than pretty much anything else. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
35:If you get up in the morning and think the future is going to be better, it is a bright day. Otherwise, it’s not. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
36:I’m nauseatingly pro-American. I would have come here from any country. The U.S. is where great things are possible. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
37:Physics is a good framework for thinking. ... Boil things down to their fundamental truths and reason up from there. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
38:What daily habit do you believe has the largest positive impact on your life?” To which Musk simply replied, “Showering.” ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
39:In order for us to have a future that's exciting and inspiring, it has to be one where we're a space-bearing civilization. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
40:If you're trying to create a company, it's like baking a cake. You have to have all the ingredients in the right proportion. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
41:It taught me that the tough thing is figuring out what questions to ask, but that once you do that, the rest is really easy. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
42:I don't spend my time pontificating about high-concept things; I spend my time solving engineering and manufacturing problems. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
43:I'm extremely confident that solar will be at least a plurality of power, and most likely a majority... in less than 20 years. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
44:I tend to approach things from a physics framework. And physics teaches you to reason from first principles rather than by analogy. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
45:My motivation for all my companies has been to be involved in something that I thought would have a significant impact on the world. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
46:I think that's the single best piece of advice: constantly think about how you could be doing things better and questioning yourself. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
47:Physics is really figuring out how to discover new things that are counterintuitive, like quantum mechanics. It's really counterintuitive. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
48:When Henry Ford made cheap, reliable cars people said, &
49:The primary means of energy generation is going to solar. It will at least be a plurality, and probably be a slight majority in the long term. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
50:I think it's very important to have a feedback loop, where you're constantly thinking about what you've done and how you could be doing it better. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
51:I read books and talked to people. I mean that's kind of how one learns anything. There's lots of great books out there & lots of smart people. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
52:My goal is to try to do useful things, try to maximize the probability the future is good, and make the future exciting. Something you look forward to. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
53:Obviously Tesla is about helping solve the consumption of energy in a sustainable manner but you need the production of energy in a sustainable manner. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
54:AI’s a rare case where we need to be proactive in regulation, instead of reactive. Because by the time we are reactive with AI regulation, it’s too late. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
55:Even if producing CO2 was good for the environment, given that we're going to run out of hydrocarbons, we need to find some sustainable means of operating. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
56:There need to be things that make you look forward to waking up in the morning. You wake up in the morning you look forward to the day, forward to the future. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
57:And we need things in life that are exciting and inspiring. It can't just be about solving some awful problem. There have to be reasons to get up in the morning. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
58:In almost any industry, if you're passionate about doing a great job and making people that buy your product or service as happy as possible, it's really fulfilling. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
59:If you're co-founder or CEO, you have to do all kinds of tasks you might not want to do. If you don't do your chores, the company won't succeed. No task is too menial. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
60:If we don’t get the first SpaceX rocket launch to succeed by the time we’ve spent $100 million, we will stop the company. That will be enough for three attempted launches. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
61:It was obvious to me that we could never colonize Mars without reusability, any more than America would have been colonized if they had to burn the ships after every trip. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
62:Among other tech company CEOs, Musk stands out as one of the few who actually understands much of the science behind the cars and rockets that his companies create. Thomas Frank ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
63:His breadth of knowledge also enables him to further push his team to innovate, which drives results that critics and outside experts previously decried as impossible. Thomas Frank ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
64:People often mistake technology for a static picture. It's less like a picture and more like a movie. It's the velocity of technology innovation that matters. It's the acceleration. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
65:The odds of me coming into the rocket business, not knowing anything about rockets, not having ever built anything, I mean, I would have to be insane if I thought the odds were in my favor. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
66:It's really incumbent upon us as life's agents to extend life to another planet. I think that being a multi-planet species will significantly increase the richness and scope of the human experience. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
67:My vision is for a fully reusable rocket transport system between Earth and Mars that is able to re-fuel on Mars - this is very important - so you don't have to carry the return fuel when you go there. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
68:Every mode of transport that we use - whether it's planes, trains, automobiles, bikes, horses - is reusable, but not rockets. So we must solve this problem in order to become a space-faring civilization. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
69:Going from PayPal, I thought: &
70:The idea of lying on a beach as my main thing just sounds like the worst. It sounds horrible to me. I would go bonkers. I would have to be on serious drugs. I'd be super-duper bored. I like high intensity. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
71:Fear is a hard thing to deal with. I feel it quite strongly. If I think something is important enough, I'll make myself do it in spite of fear. But it can really sap the will. I hate fear, I wish I had it less. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
72:Talent is extremely important. It's like a sports team, the team that has the best individual player will often win, but then there’s a multiplier from how those players work together and the strategy they employ. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
73:I think that's an important thing to do, to really pay attention to negative feedback, and solicit it, particularly from friends. This may sound like simple advice, but hardly anyone does that, and it's incredibly helpful. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
74:I think we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. If I had to guess at what our biggest existential threat is, it's probably that. So we need to be very careful... With artificial intelligence we're summoning the demon. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
75:You want to do projects that are inspiring, and that make people excited about the future. Life's got to be about more than solving projects. You have to get up in the morning and say “Yes, I'm looking forward to that thing happening. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
76:The overarching goal of Tesla is to help reduce carbon emissions and that means low cost and high volume. We will also serve as an example to the auto industry, proving that the technology really works and customers want to buy electric vehicles. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
77:One bit of advice: it is important to view knowledge as sort of a semantic tree - make sure you understand the fundamental principles, ie the trunk and big branches, before you get into the leaves/details or there is nothing for them to hang on to. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
78:I want to make rockets 100 times, if not 1,000 times better. The ultimate objective is to make humanity a multiplanet species. Thirty years from now, there'll be a base on the moon and on Mars, and people will be going back and forth on SpaceX rockets. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
79:There's a fundamental difference, if you sort of look into the future, between a humanity that is a space-faring civilization, that's out there exploring the stars... compared with one where we are forever confined to Earth until some eventual extinction event. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
80:It is despairing to consider that the cost and reliability of access to space have barely changed since the Apollo era over three decades ago. Yet in virtually every other field of technology, we have made great strides in reducing cost and increasing capability. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
81:With Tesla we try to make things that people love… How many things can you buy that you really love that really give you joy? So rare, so rare. I wish there more things. That’s what we’re trying to do [at Tesla]. Make things that somebody loves. That’s so difficult. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
82:Don’t just follow the trend. You may have heard me say that it’s good to think in terms of the physics approach of first principles. Which is, rather than reasoning by analogy, you boil things down to the most fundamental truths you can imagine and you reason up from there. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
83:I think it’s very important to have a feedback loop, where you’re constantly thinking about what you’ve done and how you could be doing it better. I think that’s the single best piece of advice: constantly think about how you could be doing things better and questioning yourself. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
84:I would like to fly in space. Absolutely. That would be cool. I used to just do personally risky things, but now I've got kids and responsibilities, so I can't be my own test pilot. That wouldn't be a good idea. But I definitely want to fly as soon as it's a sensible thing to do. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
85:It is a mistake to hire huge numbers of people to get a complicated job done. Numbers will never compensate for talent in getting the right answer (two people who don't know something are no better than one), will tend to slow down progress, and will make the task incredibly expensive. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
86:At Tesla, we’ve never spent any money on advertising. We’ve put all our money into R&D, engineering, design, and manufacturing to build the best car possible. When we consider spending money, we ask, &
87:People look like they have a much better life than they really do…People are posting pictures of when they’re really happy, they’re modifying those pictures to be better looking. Even if they’re not modifying the pictures they’re at least selecting the pictures for the best lighting, the best angle. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
88:I've always wanted to be part of something that would radically change the world. . . . People forget the power of inspiration. All of humanity went to the moon with the Apollo missions. The issue was cost. There was no chance to build a base and create frequent flights. That's the problem I would like to solve. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
89:Does the logic connect? What are the range of probably outcomes? You want to figure out what those probabilities are and ideally be the House. It's fine to gamble, as long as you're the House. Also, listen to critical feedback, particularly from friends. Generally they will be thinking it but they won't tell you. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
90:It's important that we attempt to extend life beyond Earth now. It is the first time in the four billion-year history of Earth that it's been possible, and that window could be open for a long time - hopefully it is - or it could be open for a short time. We should err on the side of caution and do something now. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
91:So people basically seem way better looking than they really are, and they’re way happier seeming than they really are. So if you look at everyone on Instagram you might think ‘man, there are all these happy, beautiful people and I’m not that good looking and I’m not happy so I must suck’. That’s going to make people sad. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
92:I always had an existential crisis, trying to figure out ‘what does it all mean?’ I came to the conclusion that if we can advance the knowledge of the world, if we can expand the scope and scale of consciousness, then, we’re better able to ask the right questions and become more enlightened. That’s the only way to move forward. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
93:If anyone thinks they'd rather be in a different part of history, they're probably not a very good student of history. Life sucked in the old days. People knew very little, and you were likely to die at a young age of some horrible disease. You'd probably have no teeth by now. It would be particularly awful if you were a woman. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
94:Work like hell. I mean you just have to put in 80 to 100 hour weeks every week. [This] improves the odds of success. If other people are putting in 40 hour work weeks and you’re putting in 100 hour work weeks, then even if you’re doing the same thing you know that you will achieve in 4 months what it takes them a year to achieve. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
95:It's not as though we can keep burning coal in our power plants. Coal is a finite resource, too. We must find alternatives, and it's a better idea to find alternatives sooner then wait until we run out of coal, and in the meantime, put God knows how many trillions of tons of CO2 that used to be buried underground into the atmosphere. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
96:Becoming T-shaped gives you the best of both worlds; you’ll have enough expertise in one area to make truly meaningful contributions to it – to be world-class – but your broad knowledge base will allow you to look at problems from new perspectives, be more creative, and collaborate more effectively with experts in other fields. Thomas Frank ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
97:I think it's important to reason from first principles rather than by analogy. The normal way we conduct our lives is we reason by analogy. [With analogy] we are doing this because it's like something else that was done, or it is like what other people are doing. [With first principles] you boil things down to the most fundamental truths…and then reason up from there. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
98:He would trap an engineer in the SpaceX factory and set to work grilling him about a type of valve or specialized material. “I thought at first that he was challenging me to see if I knew my stuff,” said Kevin Brogan, one of the early engineers. “Then I realized he was trying to learn things. He would quiz you until he learned ninety percent of what you know.” Vance book ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
99:Let's think beyond the normal stuff and have an environment where that sort of thinking is encouraged and rewarded and where it's okay to fail as well. Because when you try new things, you try this idea, that idea... well a large number of them are not gonna work, and that has to be okay. If every time somebody comes up with an idea it has to be successful, you're not gonna get people coming up with ideas. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
100:Now is the time to take risks. You don't have kids, but as you get older, your obligations increase. And once you have a family, you start taking risks not only for yourself, but for your family as well. It gets much harder to do things that might not work out. So now is the time to do that, before you have those obligations. So I would encourage you to take risks now. Do something bold. You won't regret it. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
101:Really believe in what you are doing, but not just from a blind faith standpoint. To have really thought about it and say okay, this is true, I'm convinced it's true, and I've tried every angle to figure out if it's untrue, and sought negative feedback to figure out if I'm maybe wrong, and after all that, okay it still seems this is the right way to go. then that I think gives one a fundamental conviction and an ability to convey that conviction to others. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
102:I think it's important to have a future that's inspiring an appealing, I mean… I just think that there have to be reasons to get up in the morning, and you want to live. Like, why do you want to live? What's the point, what inspires you? What do you love about the future? And if we're not out there, if the future does not include being out there among the stars, and being a multi planet species, I find that incredibly depressing, if that's not the future we're going to have. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
103:I think if somebody is doing something that is useful to the rest of society, I think that's a good thing. It doesn't have to change the world. You know. If you're doing something that has high value to people, um, and frankly, even if it's something like um, just a little game um, or you know, some improvement in photo sharing. If it has a small amount of good for a large number of people, that's, I think that's fine. Stuff doesn't need to be changing the world just to be good. ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove
104:Scott Pelley: “How did you get the expertise to be the Chief Technology Officer of a rockship company?” Musk: “Well, I do have a physics background, let's helpful as a foundation, um and then I read a lot of books and talked to a lot of smart people.” Scott Pelley: “You're self taught?!?!” Musk: “Yeah. Well self-taught meaning, I don't have an aerospace degree.” Scott Pelley: “So how did you go about acquiring the knowledge?” Elon: “Well, like I said, I read a lot of books, and talked to a lot of people, and have a great team… ~ elon-musk, @wisdomtrove

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1:Don't be afraid of new arenas. ~ Elon Musk,
2:If you need inspiration, don't do it. ~ Elon Musk,
3:As a child I would just question things. ~ Elon Musk,
4:Humans need to be a multiplanet species. ~ Elon Musk,
5:Life is too short for long-term grudges. ~ Elon Musk,
6:I would rather commit seppuku than fail
   ~ Elon Musk,
7:Great companies are built on great products. ~ Elon Musk,
8:I would like to die on Mars. Just not on impact. ~ Elon Musk,
9:I started SpaceX with the expectation of failure. ~ Elon Musk,
10:Any product that needs a manual to work is broken. ~ Elon Musk,
11:I could either watch it happen or be a part of it. ~ Elon Musk,
12:For my part, I will never give up, and I mean never. ~ Elon Musk,
13:I think it matters whether someone has a good heart. ~ Elon Musk,
14:I've actually not read any books on time management. ~ Elon Musk,
15:America is the spirit of human exploration distilled. ~ Elon Musk,
16:Many things are improbable, only a few are impossible. ~ Elon Musk,
17:My family fears that the Russians will assassinate me. ~ Elon Musk,
18:I think you should always be seeking negative feedback. ~ Elon Musk,
19:As you heat the planet up, it's just like boiling a pot. ~ Elon Musk,
20:With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon. ~ Elon Musk,
21:I don't think it's a good idea to plan to sell a company. ~ Elon Musk,
22:I dont think there is one[a secret], but I work a lot.
   ~ Elon Musk,
23:It's a fixer-upper of a planet but we could make it work. ~ Elon Musk,
24:You could warm Mars up, over time, with greenhouse gases. ~ Elon Musk,
25:Actively seek out and listen carefully to negative feedback. ~ Elon Musk,
26:Constantly think about how you could be doing things better. ~ Elon Musk,
27:I'm just trying to think about the future and not be sad.
   ~ Elon Musk,
28:That's my lesson for taking a vacation: vacation will kill you. ~ Elon Musk,
29:When you struggle with a problem, that's when you understand it. ~ Elon Musk,
30:It is possible for ordinary people to choose to be extraordinary. ~ Elon Musk,
31:Engineering is the closest thing to magic that exists in the world. ~ Elon Musk,
32:My opinion is it's a bridge too far to go to fully autonomous cars. ~ Elon Musk,
33:Patience is a virtue, and I'm learning patience. It's a tough lesson. ~ Elon Musk,
34:I guess ill have to start a company, cause I cant get a job anywhere
   ~ Elon Musk,
35:I think we are at the dawn of a new era in commercial space exploration. ~ Elon Musk,
36:Tesla is here to stay and keep fighting for the electric car revolution. ~ Elon Musk,
37:I think it is possible for ordinary people to choose to be extraordinary. ~ Elon Musk,
38:No, I don't ever give up. I'd have to be dead or completely incapacitated ~ Elon Musk,
39:You get paid in direct proportion to the difficulty of problems you solve ~ Elon Musk,
40:Land on Mars, a round-trip ticket - half a million dollars. It can be done. ~ Elon Musk,
41:My mentality is that of a samurai. I would rather commit seppuku than fail. ~ Elon Musk,
42:We need to be super careful with AI. Potentially more dangerous than nukes. ~ Elon Musk,
43:I'm glad to see that BMW is bringing an electric car to market. That's cool. ~ Elon Musk,
44:No I don't ever give up. I would have to be dead or completely incapacitated ~ Elon Musk,
45:If anyone has a vested interest in space solar power, it would have to be me. ~ Elon Musk,
46:If we drive down the cost of transportation in space, we can do great things. ~ Elon Musk,
47:You should be innovating so fast that you're invalidating your prior patents. ~ Elon Musk,
48:If humanity doesn't land on Mars in my lifetime, I would be very disappointed. ~ Elon Musk,
49:The key test for an acronym is to ask whether it helps or hurts communication. ~ Elon Musk,
50:You should take the approach that you’re wrong. Your goal is to be less wrong. ~ Elon Musk,
51:Being an entrepreneur is like eating glass and staring into the abyss of death. ~ Elon Musk,
52:Entrepreneurship is like eating glass and walking on hot coals at the same time ~ Elon Musk,
53:We are the biological bootloader for AI, effectively. ~ Elon Musk, Human Civilization and AI,
54:We need to figure out how to have the things we love, and not destroy the world. ~ Elon Musk,
55:What I'm trying to do is to maximise the probability of the future being better. ~ Elon Musk,
56:For me it was never about money, but solving problems for the future of humanity. ~ Elon Musk,
57:If something is important enough, you do it even if the odds aren't in your favor. ~ Elon Musk,
58:I'm a Silicon Valley guy. I just think people from Silicon Valley can do anything. ~ Elon Musk,
59:You want to do things you’re passionate about but also are useful to other people. ~ Elon Musk,
60:Failure is an option here. If things are not failing, you are not innovating enough. ~ Elon Musk,
61:I don't create companies for the sake of creating companies, but to get things done. ~ Elon Musk,
62:The rumours of the demise of the U.S. manufacturing industry are greatly exaggerated. ~ Elon Musk,
63:When I was in college, I wanted to be involved in things that would change the world. ~ Elon Musk,
64:When something is important enough, you do it even if the odds are not in your favor. ~ Elon Musk,
65:The extension of life beyond Earth is the most important thing we can do as a species. ~ Elon Musk,
66:The first step is to establish that something is possible then probability will occur. ~ Elon Musk,
67:When something is important enough, you do it even if the odds are not in your favour. ~ Elon Musk,
68:Persistence is very important. You should not give up unless you are forced to give up. ~ Elon Musk,
69:The first step is to establish that something is possible; then probability will occur. ~ Elon Musk,
70:I'm not trying to be anyone's savior. I just try to think about the future and not be sad ~ Elon Musk,
71:If you're not concerned about AI safety, you should be. Vastly more risk than North Korea. ~ Elon Musk,
72:Really, the only thing that makes sense is to strive for greater collective enlightenment. ~ Elon Musk,
73:There's a real opportunity to have a vertical takeoff and landing electric supersonic jet. ~ Elon Musk,
74:It's OK to have your eggs in one basket as long as you control what happens to that basket. ~ Elon Musk,
75:It’s a combination. It’s a combination of electronics and biology. ~ Elon Musk, Human Civilization and AI,
76:Some people don't like change, but you need to embrace change if the alternative is disaster. ~ Elon Musk,
77:If you had to buy a new plane every time you flew somewhere, it would be incredibly expensive. ~ Elon Musk,
78:In order to have your voice be heard in Washington, you have to make some little contribution. ~ Elon Musk,
79:Silicon Valley has some of the smartest engineers and technology business people in the world. ~ Elon Musk,
80:You shouldn't do things differently just because they're different. They need to be... better. ~ Elon Musk,
81:If something's important enough, you should try. Even if you - the probable outcome is failure. ~ Elon Musk,
82:I'm not trying to be anyone's savior. I'm just trying to think about the future and not be sad. ~ Elon Musk,
83:I'd like to dial it back 5% or 10% and try to have a vacation that's not just e-mail with a view. ~ Elon Musk,
84:I do love email. Wherever possible I try to communicate asynchronously. I'm really good at email. ~ Elon Musk,
85:I realized that a methane-oxygen rocket engine could achieve a specific impulse greater than 380. ~ Elon Musk,
86:I take the position that I'm always to some degree wrong, and the aspiration is to be less wrong. ~ Elon Musk,
87:You have to be pretty driven to make it happen. Otherwise, you will just make yourself miserable. ~ Elon Musk,
88:Constantly seek criticism. A well thought out critique of what you're doing is as valuable as gold ~ Elon Musk,
89:Every person in your company is a vector. Your progress is determined by the sum of all vectors.   ~ Elon Musk,
90:Self-driving cars are the natural extension of active safety and obviously something we should do. ~ Elon Musk,
91:There's a tremendous bias against taking risks. Everyone is trying to optimize their ass-covering. ~ Elon Musk,
92:Mars is the only place in the solar system where it's possible for life to become multi-planetarian. ~ Elon Musk,
93:Most people can learn a lot more than they think they can. They sell themselves short without trying. ~ Elon Musk,
94:Nobody wants to buy a $60,000 electric Civic. But people will pay $90,000 for an electric sports car. ~ Elon Musk,
95:Selling an electric sports car creates an opportunity to fundamentally change the way America drives. ~ Elon Musk,
96:Constantly seek criticism. A well thought out critique of whatever you’re doing is as valuable as gold. ~ Elon Musk,
97:If I were to point to the person who's having the greatest impact... I'd point to Elon Musk. ~ Joseph Gordon Levitt,
98:Even if there's a zombie apocalypse, you'll still be able to travel using the Tesla Supercharging system. ~ Elon Musk,
99:I think it would be great to be born on Earth and die on Mars. Just hopefully not at the point of impact. ~ Elon Musk,
100:The tough thing is figuring out what questions to ask, but […] once you do that, the rest is really easy. ~ Elon Musk,
101:Facebook is quite entrenched and has a network effect. It's hard to break into a network once it's formed. ~ Elon Musk,
102:They were building a Ferrari for every launch, when it was possible that a Honda Accord might do the trick. ~ Elon Musk,
103:I think long term you can see Tesla establishing factories in Europe, in other parts of the U.S. and in Asia. ~ Elon Musk,
104:I'm personally a moderate and a registered independent, so I'm not strongly Democratic or strongly Republican. ~ Elon Musk,
105:If you think back to the beginning of cell phones, laptops or really any new technology, it's always expensive. ~ Elon Musk,
106:People should pursue what they're passionate about. That will make them happier than pretty much anything else. ~ Elon Musk,
107:If you get up in the morning and think the future is going to be better, it is a bright day. Otherwise, it’s not. ~ Elon Musk,
108:The reason we should do a carbon tax is because it's the right thing to do. It's economics 101, elementary stuff. ~ Elon Musk,
109:I'm reasonably optimistic about the future, especially the future of the United States - for the century, at least. ~ Elon Musk,
110:I’m nauseatingly pro-American. I would have come here from any country. The U.S. is where great things are possible. ~ Elon Musk,
111:Physics is a good framework for thinking. ... Boil things down to their fundamental truths and reason up from there. ~ Elon Musk,
112:Winning 'Motor Trend' Car of the year is probably the closest thing to winning the Oscar or Emmy of the car industry. ~ Elon Musk,
113:Some companies out there quote a start of production that is substantially in advance of when customers get their cars. ~ Elon Musk,
114:The fuel cell is just a fundamentally inferior way of delivering electrical energy to an electric motor than batteries. ~ Elon Musk,
115:I don't think very highly of Henrik Fisker. [...H]e thinks the reason we don't have electric cars is for lack of styling ~ Elon Musk,
116:You want to have a future where you’re expecting things to be better, not one where you’re expecting things to be worse. ~ Elon Musk,
117:Weighing too much on someone's talent and not someone's personality. I think it matters whether someone has a good heart. ~ Elon Musk,
118:In order for us to have a future that's exciting and inspiring, it has to be one where we're a space-bearing civilization. ~ Elon Musk,
119:I really like computer games, but then if I made really great computer games, how much effect would that have on the world. ~ Elon Musk,
120:If you're trying to create a company, it's like baking a cake. You have to have all the ingredients in the right proportion. ~ Elon Musk,
121:Optimism, pessimism, f**k that; we're going to make it happen. As God is my bloody witness, I'm hell-bent on making it work. ~ Elon Musk,
122:You want to be extra rigorous about making the best possible thing you can. Find everything that's wrong with it and fix it. ~ Elon Musk,
123:I don't spend my time pontificating about high-concept things; I spend my time solving engineering and manufacturing problems. ~ Elon Musk,
124:I'm extremely confident that solar will be at least a plurality of power, and most likely a majority... in less than 20 years. ~ Elon Musk,
125:Elon Musk, in Trump Tower, pitched Trump on the new administration’s joining him in his race to Mars, which Trump jumped at. ~ Michael Wolff,
126:We have this handy fusion reactor in the sky called the sun, you don't have to do anything, it just works. It shows up every day. ~ Elon Musk,
127:I tend to approach things from a physics framework. And physics teaches you to reason from first principles rather than by analogy. ~ Elon Musk,
128:I think life on Earth must be about more than just solving problems... It's got to be something inspiring, even if it is vicarious. ~ Elon Musk,
129:I think, best-case scenario: we effectively merge with AI, where AI serves as a tertiary cognition layer. ~ Elon Musk, Human Civilization and AI,
130:My motivation for all my companies has been to be involved in something that I thought would have a significant impact on the world. ~ Elon Musk,
131:When Henry Ford made cheap, reliable cars people said, 'Nah, what's wrong with a horse?' That was a huge bet he made, and it worked. ~ Elon Musk,
132:I think that's the single best piece of advice: constantly think about how you could be doing things better and questioning yourself. ~ Elon Musk,
133:What I'm trying to do is, is to make a significant difference in space flight. And help make space flight accessible to almost anyone. ~ Elon Musk,
134:A Prius is not a true hybrid, really. The current Prius is, like, 2 percent electric. It's a gasoline car with slightly better mileage. ~ Elon Musk,
135:Tesla burns cash. It's not a car company, it's a cult of fanatics who think Elon Musk can do no wrong. But financially, it doesn't work. ~ Bob Lutz,
136:I just want to retire before I go senile because if I don't retire before I go senile, then I'll do more damage than good at that point. ~ Elon Musk,
137:Physics is really figuring out how to discover new things that are counterintuitive, like quantum mechanics. It's really counterintuitive. ~ Elon Musk,
138:One of the biggest mistakes we made was trying to automate things that are super easy for a person to do, but super hard for a robot to do. ~ Elon Musk,
139:One of the really tough things is figuring out what questions to ask. Once you figure out the question, then the answer is relatively easy. ~ Elon Musk,
140:I wouldn't say I have a lack of fear. In fact, I'd like my fear emotion to be less because it's very distracting and fries my nervous system. ~ Elon Musk,
141:There are some important differences between me and Tony Stark, like I have five kids, so I spend more time going to Disneyland than parties. ~ Elon Musk,
142:The primary means of energy generation is going to solar. It will at least be a plurality, and probably be a slight majority in the long term. ~ Elon Musk,
143:I hate writing about personal stuff. I don't have a Facebook page. I don't use my Twitter account. I am familiar with both, but I don't use them. ~ Elon Musk,
144:I read books and talked to people. I mean that's kind of how one learns anything. There's lots of great books out there & lots of smart people. ~ Elon Musk,
145:You need to be in the position where it is the cost of the fuel that actually matters and not the cost of building the rocket in the first place. ~ Elon Musk,
146:I think it's very important to have a feedback loop, where you're constantly thinking about what you've done and how you could be doing it better. ~ Elon Musk,
147:No one has any idea what's going to happen. Not even Elon Musk. That's why he's building those rockets. He wants a 'Plan B' on another world. ~ Stephen Colbert,
148:The United States is definitely ahead in culture of innovation. If someone wants to accomplish great things, there is no better place than the U.S. ~ Elon Musk,
149:You could argue that any group of people, like a company, is essentially a cybernetic collective of people and machines. ~ Elon Musk, Human Civilization and AI,
150:I feel very strongly that SpaceX would not have been able to get started, nor would we have made the progress that we have, without the help of NASA. ~ Elon Musk,
151:I think there are too many smart people pursuing internet stuff, finance, and law. That is part of the reason why we haven't seen as much innovation. ~ Elon Musk,
152:Biofuels such as ethanol require enormous amounts of cropland and end up displacing either food crops or natural wilderness, neither of which is good. ~ Elon Musk,
153:I was born in Africa. I came to California because it's really where new technologies can be brought to fruition, and I don't see a viable competitor. ~ Elon Musk,
154:Starting and growing a business is as much about the innovation, drive and determination of the people who do it as it is about the product they sell. ~ Elon Musk,
155:Obviously Tesla is about helping solve the consumption of energy in a sustainable manner but you need the production of energy in a sustainable manner. ~ Elon Musk,
156:People work better when they know what the goal is and why. It is important that people look forward to coming to work in the morning and enjoy working. ~ Elon Musk,
157:People will buy the car just because it's a great car. We want them to think it's excellent value for money and then, oh yeah, it happens to be electric. ~ Elon Musk,
158:Even if producing CO2 was good for the environment, given that we're going to run out of hydrocarbons, we need to find some sustainable means of operating. ~ Elon Musk,
159:It's just mind-blowingly awesome. I apologize, and I wish I was more articulate, but it's hard to be articulate when your mind's blown-but in a very good way. ~ Elon Musk,
160:My proceeds from the PayPal acquisition were $180 million. I put $100 million in SpaceX, $70m in Tesla, and $10m in Solar City. I had to borrow money for rent. ~ Elon Musk,
161:And we need things in life that are exciting and inspiring. It can't just be about solving some awful problem. There have to be reasons to get up in the morning. ~ Elon Musk,
162:When people really understand it's do or die [and] if we work hard and pull through, it's going to be a great outcome; people will give it everything they've got. ~ Elon Musk,
163:In almost any industry, if you're passionate about doing a great job and making people that buy your product or service as happy as possible, it's really fulfilling. ~ Elon Musk,
164:If you're co-founder or CEO, you have to do all kinds of tasks you might not want to do. If you don't do your chores, the company won't succeed. No task is too menial. ~ Elon Musk,
165:I've actually made a prediction that within 30 years a majority of new cars made in the United States will be electric. And I don't mean hybrid, I mean fully electric. ~ Elon Musk,
166:This question came from Elon Musk near the very end of a long dinner we shared at a high-end seafood restaurant in Silicon Valley. I’d gotten to the restaurant first ~ Ashlee Vance,
167:SpaceX has the potential of saving the U.S. government $1 billion a year. We are opposed to creating an entrenched monopoly with no realistic means for anyone to compete. ~ Elon Musk,
168:The path to the CEO's office should not be through the CFO's office, and it should not be through the marketing department. It needs to be through engineering and design. ~ Elon Musk,
169:I could go and buy one of the islands in the
Bahamas and turn it into my personal fiefdom, but I am much more interested in trying to build and
create a new company. ~ Elon Musk,
170:It was obvious to me that we could never colonize Mars without reusability, any more than America would have been colonized if they had to burn the ships after every trip. ~ Elon Musk,
171:There's nothing - I've bought everything I want. I don't like yachts or anything; you know, I'm not a yacht person, and I've got pretty much the nicest plane I'd want to have. ~ Elon Musk,
172:We're running the most dangerous experiment in history right now, which is to see how much carbon dioxide the atmosphere can handle before there is an environmental catastrophe. ~ Elon Musk,
173:I always see what’s... wrong. Would you want that? When I see a car or a rocket or spacecraft, I only see what’s wrong. I never see what’s right. It’s not a recipe for happiness. ~ Elon Musk,
174:We have a strict 'no a-hole policy' at SpaceX. And we fire people they are. I mean, we give them a little bit of warning. But if they continue to be an a-hole, then they're fired. ~ Elon Musk,
175:I think we should take the set of actions that are most likely to make the future better, and then reevaluate those actions to make sure that its true. ~ Elon Musk, Joe Rogan Experience, 1169,
176:People often mistake technology for a static picture. It's less like a picture and more like a movie. It's the velocity of technology innovation that matters. It's the acceleration. ~ Elon Musk,
177:I'm increasingly inclined to think there should be some regulatory oversight, maybe at the national and international level just to make sure that we don't do something very foolish. ~ Elon Musk,
178:I think most of the important stuff on the Internet has been built. There will be continued innovation, for sure, but the great problems of the Internet have essentially been solved. ~ Elon Musk,
179:Government isn't that good at rapid advancement of technology. It tends to be better at funding basic research. To have things take off, you've got to have commercial companies do it. ~ Elon Musk,
180:Funded by the government just means funded by the people. Government, by the way, has no money. It only takes money from the people. Sometimes people forget that that's really what occurs. ~ Elon Musk,
181:You need to live in a dome initially, but over time you could terraform Mars to look like Earth and eventually walk around outside without anything on... So it's a fixer-upper of a planet. ~ Elon Musk,
182:The odds of me coming into the rocket business, not knowing anything about rockets, not having ever built anything, I mean, I would have to be insane if I thought the odds were in my favor. ~ Elon Musk,
183:You need to live in a dome initially but over time you could terraform Mars to look like Earth and eventually walk around outside without anything on. ... So it's a fixer-upper of a planet. ~ Elon Musk,
184:Going from PayPal, I thought: 'Well, what are some of the other problems that are likely to most affect the future of humanity?' Not from the perspective, 'What's the best way to make money?' ~ Elon Musk,
185:So, there's quite a big keep-out zone, and when you factor the keep-out zone into account, the solar panels put on that area would typically generate more power than that nuclear power plant. ~ Elon Musk,
186:Elon Musk convenció a la NASA para que firmara contratos por valor de 1.000 millones de dólares para reemplazar su viejo transbordador espacial por el moderno diseño de la nueva nave de SpaceX. ~ Peter Thiel,
187:When we got Tesla going at the very beginning, if you asked me what I thought the odds of success were, I would have said less than 50%. I would have said that failure is the most likely outcome. ~ Elon Musk,
188:It's really incumbent upon us as life's agents to extend life to another planet. I think that being a multi-planet species will significantly increase the richness and scope of the human experience. ~ Elon Musk,
189:My vision is for a fully reusable rocket transport system between Earth and Mars that is able to re-fuel on Mars - this is very important - so you don't have to carry the return fuel when you go there. ~ Elon Musk,
190:Brand is just a perception, and perception will match reality over time. Sometimes it will be ahead, other times it will be behind. But brand is simply a collective impression some have about a product. ~ Elon Musk,
191:I think Tesla will most likely develop its own autopilot system for the car, as I think it should be camera-based, not Lidar-based. However, it is also possible that we do something jointly with Google. ~ Elon Musk,
192:Every mode of transport that we use - whether it's planes, trains, automobiles, bikes, horses - is reusable, but not rockets. So we must solve this problem in order to become a space-faring civilization. ~ Elon Musk,
193:My background educationally is physics and economics, and I grew up in sort of an engineering environment - my father is an electromechanical engineer. And so there were lots of engineery things around me. ~ Elon Musk,
194:The idea of lying on a beach as my main thing just sounds like the worst. It sounds horrible to me. I would go bonkers. I would have to be on serious drugs. I'd be super-duper bored. I like high intensity. ~ Elon Musk,
195:The idea of lying on a beach as my main thing just sounds like the worst. It sounds horrible to me. I would go bonkers. I would have to be on serious drugs. I’d be super-duper bored. I like high intensity. ~ Elon Musk,
196:The idea of lying on a beach as my main thing just sounds like the worst — it sounds horrible to me. I would go bonkers. I would have to be on serious drugs. I’d be super-duper bored. I like high intensity. ~ Elon Musk,
197:With artificial intelligence, we are summoning the demon. In all those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water, it's like, yeah, he's sure he can control the demon. Didn't work out. ~ Elon Musk,
198:Fear is a hard thing to deal with. I feel it quite strongly. If I think something is important enough, I'll make myself do it in spite of fear. But it can really sap the will. I hate fear, I wish I had it less. ~ Elon Musk,
199:The future of humanity is going to bifurcate in two directions: Either it's going to become multiplanetary, or it's going to remain confined to one planet and eventually there's going to be an extinction event. ~ Elon Musk,
200:With artificial intelligence, we are summoning the demon. In all those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water, it's like, yeah, he's sure he can control the demon. Didn't work out. ~ Elon Musk,
201:Talent is extremely important. It's like a sports team, the team that has the best individual player will often win, but then there’s a multiplier from how those players work together and the strategy they employ. ~ Elon Musk,
202:Trying to read our DNA is like trying to understand software code - with only 90% of the code riddled with errors. It's very difficult in that case to understand and predict what that software code is going to do. ~ Elon Musk,
203:Silicon Valley has evolved a critical mass of engineers and venture capitalists and all the support structure - the law firms, the real estate, all that - that are all actually geared toward being accepting of startups. ~ Elon Musk,
204:A battery by definition is a collection of cells. So the cell is a little can of chemicals. And the challenge is taking a very high-energy cell, and a large number of them, and combining them safely into a large battery. ~ Elon Musk,
205:Boeing just took $20 billion and 10 years to improve the efficiency of their planes by 10 percent. That's pretty lame. I have a design in mind for a vertical liftoff supersonic jet that would be a really big improvement. ~ Elon Musk,
206:I think that's an important thing to do, to really pay attention to negative feedback, and solicit it, particularly from friends. This may sound like simple advice, but hardly anyone does that, and it's incredibly helpful. ~ Elon Musk,
207:You can just reload, propel it and fly again. This is extremely important for revolutionizing access to space because as long as we continue to throw away rockets and space crafts, we will never truly have access to space. ~ Elon Musk,
208:Elon Musk argued that what we need right now from governments isn’t oversight but insight: specifically, technically capable people in government positions who can monitor AI’s progress and steer it if warranted down the road. ~ Max Tegmark,
209:I mean, I think that if people are concerned about volatility, they should definitely not buy our stock. I’m not here [on an earnings call] to convince you to buy [Tesla] stock. Do not buy it if volatility is scary. There you go. ~ Elon Musk,
210:It is important to view knowledge as sort of a semantic tree -- make sure you understand the fundamental principles, ie the trunk and big branches, before you get into the leaves/details or there is nothing for them to hang on to. ~ Elon Musk,
211:The space shuttle was often used as an example of why you shouldn't even attempt to make something reusable. But one failed experiment does not invalidate the greater goal. If that was the case, we'd never have had the light bulb. ~ Elon Musk,
212:You could power the entire United States with about 150 to 200 square kilometers of solar panels, the entire United States. Take a corner of Utah... there's not much going on there, I've been there. There's not even radio stations. ~ Elon Musk,
213:To make an embarrassing admission, I like video games. That's what got me into software engineering when I was a kid. I wanted to make money so I could buy a better computer to play better video games. Nothing like saving the world. ~ Elon Musk,
214:I think we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. If I had to guess at what our biggest existential threat is, it's probably that. So we need to be very careful...With artificial intelligence we're summoning the demon. ~ Elon Musk,
215:There are really two things that have to occur in order for a new technology to be affordable to the mass market. One is you need economies of scale. The other is you need to iterate on the design. You need to go through a few versions. ~ Elon Musk,
216:For all the supporters of Tesla over the years, and it's been several years now and there have been some very tough times, I'd just like to say thank you very much. I deeply appreciate the support, particularly through the darkest times. ~ Elon Musk,
217:It's obviously tricky to convert cellulose to a useful biofuel. I think actually the most efficient way to use cellulose is to burn it in a co-generation power plant. That will yield the most energy and that is something you can do today. ~ Elon Musk,
218:An asteroid or a supervolcano could certainly destroy us, but we also face risks the dinosaurs never saw: An engineered virus, nuclear war, inadvertent creation of a micro black hole, or some as-yet-unknown technology could spell the end of us. ~ Elon Musk,
219:I came to the conclusion that we should aspire to increase the scope and scale of human consciousness in order to better understand what questions to ask. Really, the only thing tht makes sense is to strive for greater collective enlightenment. ~ Elon Musk,
220:It is definitely true that the fundamental enabling technology for electric cars is lithium-ion as a cell chemistry technology. In the absence of that, I don't think it's possible to make an electric car that is competitive with a gasoline car. ~ Elon Musk,
221:I came to the conclusion that we should aspire to increase the scope and scale of human consciousness in order to better understand what questions to ask. Really, the only thing that makes sense is to strive for greater collective enlightenment. ~ Elon Musk,
222:In the case of Apple, they did originally do production internally, but then along came unbelievably good outsourced manufacturing from companies like Foxconn. We don't have that in the rocket business. There's no Foxconn in the rocket business. ~ Elon Musk,
223:The problem is that at a lot of big companies, process becomes a substitute for thinking. You're encouraged to behave like a little gear in a complex machine. Frankly, it allows you to keep people who aren't that smart, who aren't that creative. ~ Elon Musk,
224:To our knowledge, life exists on only one planet, Earth. If something bad happens, it's gone. I think we should establish life on another planet-Mars in particular-but we 're not making very good progress. SpaceX is intended to make that happen. ~ Elon Musk,
225:The overarching goal of Tesla is to help reduce carbon emissions and that means low cost and high volume. We will also serve as an example to the auto industry, proving that the technology really works and customers want to buy electric vehicles. ~ Elon Musk,
226:One bit of advice: it is important to view knowledge as sort of a semantic tree - make sure you understand the fundamental principles, ie the trunk and big branches, before you get into the leaves/details or there is nothing for them to hang on to. ~ Elon Musk,
227:Automotive franchise laws were put in place decades ago to prevent a manufacturer from unfairly opening stores in direct competition with an existing franchise dealer that had already invested time, money and effort to open and promote their business. ~ Elon Musk,
228:I think the high-tech industry is used to developing new things very quickly. It's the Silicon Valley way of doing business: You either move very quickly and you work hard to improve your product technology, or you get destroyed by some other company. ~ Elon Musk,
229:I want to make rockets 100 times, if not 1,000 times better. The ultimate objective is to make humanity a multiplanet species. Thirty years from now, there'll be a base on the moon and on Mars, and people will be going back and forth on SpaceX rockets. ~ Elon Musk,
230:I always invest my own money in the companies that I create. I don't believe in the whole thing of just using other people's money. I don't think that's right. I'm not going to ask other people to invest in something if I'm not prepared to do so myself. ~ Elon Musk,
231:There's a fundamental difference, if you sort of look into the future, between a humanity that is a space-faring civilization, that's out there exploring the stars...compared with one where we are forever confined to Earth until some eventual extinction event. ~ Elon Musk,
232:It is despairing to consider that the cost and reliability of access to space have barely changed since the Apollo era over three decades ago. Yet in virtually every other field of technology, we have made great strides in reducing cost and increasing capability. ~ Elon Musk,
233:Well, my motivation behind Tesla is really to do as much good as possible for the environment and the electric-vehicle revolution. I think there is still a lot of work to do and if we were to sell to a big company, I'm not sure it would progress at the same pace. ~ Elon Musk,
234:The revolutionary breakthrough will come with rockets that are fully and rapidly reusable. We will never conquer Mars unless we do that. It'll be too expensive. The American colonies would never have been pioneered if the ships that crossed the ocean hadn't been reusable. ~ Elon Musk,
235:Don’t just follow the trend. You may have heard me say that it’s good to think in terms of the physics approach of first principles. Which is, rather than reasoning by analogy, you boil things down to the most fundamental truths you can imagine and you reason up from there. ~ Elon Musk,
236:The thing that's worth doing is trying to improve our understanding of the world and gain a better appreciation of the universe and not to worry too much about there being no meaning. And, you know, try and enjoy yourself. Because, actually, life's pretty good. It really is. ~ Elon Musk,
237:I think there are more politicians in favor of electric cars than against. There are still some that are against, and I think the reasoning for that varies depending on the person, but in some cases, they just don't believe in climate change - they think oil will last forever. ~ Elon Musk,
238:There have only been about a half dozen genuinely important events in the four-billion-year saga of life on Earth: single-celled life, multicelled life, differentiation into plants and animals, movement of animals from water to land, and the advent of mammals and consciousness. ~ Elon Musk,
239:What most people know but don't realize they know is that the world is almost entirely solar-powered already. If the sun wasn't there, we'd be a frozen ice ball at three degrees Kelvin, and the sun powers the entire system of precipitation. The whole ecosystem is solar-powered. ~ Elon Musk,
240:I would like to fly in space. Absolutely. That would be cool. I used to just do personally risky things, but now I've got kids and responsibilities, so I can't be my own test pilot. That wouldn't be a good idea. But I definitely want to fly as soon as it's a sensible thing to do. ~ Elon Musk,
241:It is a mistake to hire huge numbers of people to get a complicated job done. Numbers will never compensate for talent in getting the right answer (two people who don't know something are no better than one), will tend to slow down progress, and will make the task incredibly expensive. ~ Elon Musk,
242:Target launch date for Falcon I maiden flight is Halloween(October 31) from our island launch complex in the Kwajalein Atoll. For potential customers out there, I should mention that Kwajalein has some of the worlds best scuba diving and snorkeling! It is literally a tropical paradise. ~ Elon Musk,
243:The lessons of history would suggest that civilisations move in cycles. You can track that back quite far - the Babylonians, the Sumerians, followed by the Egyptians, the Romans, China. We're obviously in a very upward cycle right now and hopefully that remains the case. But it may not. ~ Elon Musk,
244:In terms of the Internet, it's like humanity acquiring a collective nervous system. Whereas previously we were more like a [?], like a collection of cells that communicated by diffusion. With the advent of the Internet, it was suddenly like we got a nervous system. It's a hugely impactful thing. ~ Elon Musk,
245:It would take six months to get to Mars if you go there slowly, with optimal energy cost. Then it would take eighteen months for the planets to realign. Then it would take six months to get back, though I can see getting the travel time down to three months pretty quickly if America has the will. ~ Elon Musk,
246:If you go back back a few hundred years, what we take for granted today would seem like magic - being able to talk to people over long distances, to transmit images, flying, accessing vast amounts of data like an oracle. These are all things that would have been considered magic a few hundred years ago. ~ Elon Musk,
247:Like people including Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk have predicted, I agree that the future is scary and very bad for people. If we build these devices to take care of everything for us, eventually they'll think faster than us and they'll get rid of the slow humans to run companies more efficiently. ~ Steve Wozniak,
248:I do think there is a lot of potential if you have a compelling product and people are willing to pay a premium for that. I think that is what Apple has shown. You can buy a much cheaper cell phone or laptop, but Apple's product is so much better than the alternative, and people are willing to pay that premium. ~ Elon Musk,
249:I've always wanted to be part of something that would radically change the world. . . . People forget the power of inspiration. All of humanity went to the moon with the Apollo missions. The issue was cost. There was no chance to build a base and create frequent flights. That's the problem I would like to solve. ~ Elon Musk,
250:Does the logic connect? What are the range of probably outcomes? You want to figure out what those probabilities are and ideally be the House. It's fine to gamble, as long as you're the House. Also, listen to critical feedback, particularly from friends. Generally they will be thinking it but they won't tell you. ~ Elon Musk,
251:It's important that we attempt to extend life beyond Earth now. It is the first time in the four billion-year history of Earth that it's been possible, and that window could be open for a long time - hopefully it is - or it could be open for a short time. We should err on the side of caution and do something now. ~ Elon Musk,
252:Yeah, well I think anyone who likes fast cars will love the Tesla. And it has fantastic handling by the way. I mean this car will crush a Porsche on the track, just crush it. So if you like fast cars, you'll love this car. And then oh, by the way, it happens to be electric and it's twice the efficiency of a Prius. ~ Elon Musk,
253:The cortex is mostly in service to the limbic system. People may think that the thinking part of themselves is in charge, but it’s mostly their limbic system that’s in charge. And the cortex is trying to make the limbic system happy. That’s what most of that computing power is oriented towards. ~ Elon Musk, Human Civilization and AI,
254:I always had an existential crisis, trying to figure out ‘what does it all mean?’ I came to the conclusion that if we can advance the knowledge of the world, if we can expand the scope and scale of consciousness, then, we’re better able to ask the right questions and become more enlightened. That’s the only way to move forward. ~ Elon Musk,
255:If anyone thinks they'd rather be in a different part of history, they're probably not a very good student of history. Life sucked in the old days. People knew very little, and you were likely to die at a young age of some horrible disease. You'd probably have no teeth by now. It would be particularly awful if you were a woman. ~ Elon Musk,
256:The reality is gas prices should be much more expensive then they are because we're not incorporating the true damage to the environment and the hidden costs of mining oil and transporting it to the U.S. Whenever you have an unpriced externality, you have a bit of a market failure, to the degree that eternality remains unpriced. ~ Elon Musk,
257:The biggest mistake, in general, I've made, is to put too much of a weighting on someone's talent and not enough on their personality. And I've made that mistake several times. I think it actually matters whether somebody has a good heart, it really does. I've made the mistake of thinking that it's sometimes just about the brain. ~ Elon Musk,
258:Work like hell. I mean you just have to put in 80 to 100 hour weeks every week. [This] improves the odds of success. If other people are putting in 40 hour work weeks and you’re putting in 100 hour work weeks, then even if you’re doing the same thing you know that you will achieve in 4 months what it takes them a year to achieve. ~ Elon Musk,
259:I really do encourage other manufacturers to bring electric cars to market. It's a good thing, and they need to bring it to market and keep iterating and improving and make better and better electric cars, and that's what going to result in humanity achieving a sustainable transport future. I wish it was growing faster than it is. ~ Elon Musk,
260:The pace of progress in artificial intelligence (I'm not referring to narrow AI) is incredibly fast," wrote Musk in a private email .  Unless you have direct exposure to groups like Deepmind, you have no idea how fast — it is growing at a pace close to exponential. ~ Elon Musk Everbody Working Artificial Intelligence Knows Terminator Scenario,
261:But there is now a degree to which you have to ask whether his success is an indictment on the rest of us who have been working on much more incremental things. To the extent that the world still doubts Elon, I think it's a reflection on the insanity of the world and not on the supposed insanity of Elon. - Peter Thiel on Elon Musk ~ Ashlee Vance,
262:It's not as though we can keep burning coal in our power plants. Coal is a finite resource, too. We must find alternatives, and it's a better idea to find alternatives sooner then wait until we run out of coal, and in the meantime, put God knows how many trillions of tons of CO2 that used to be buried underground into the atmosphere. ~ Elon Musk,
263:(Peter Thiel on Elon Musk) But there is now a degree to which you have to ask whether his success is an indictment on the rest of us who have been working on much more incremental things. To the extent that the world still doubts Elon, I think it's a reflection on the insanity of the world and not on the supposed insanity of Elon. ~ Ashlee Vance,
264:Musk had never run a car factory before and was considered arrogant and amateurish by Detroit. Yet, one year after the Model S went on sale, Tesla had posted a profit, hit $562 million in quarterly revenue, raised its sales forecast, and become as valuable as Mazda Motor. Elon Musk had built the automotive equivalent of the iPhone. ~ Ashlee Vance,
265:Work like hell. I mean you just have to put in 80 to 100 hour weeks every week. [This] improves the odds of success. If other people are putting in 40 hour work weeks and you're putting in 100 hour work weeks, then even if you're doing the same thing you know that... you will achieve in 4 months what it takes them a year to achieve.
   ~ Elon Musk,
266:If I make $100,000 a year and Elon Musk makes $100,000,000 a year and we both see a doubling of our incomes, while I should be thrilled at my newfound fortune of $200,000, if I compare it to Musk’s massive $200,000,000, that comparative difference may feel worse, even though I’m better off and no one is worse off for the Tesla and SpaceX CEO’s fortune. ~ Michael Shermer,
267:I think it's important to reason from first principles rather than by analogy. The normal way we conduct our lives is we reason by analogy. [With analogy] we are doing this because it's like something else that was done, or it is like what other people are doing. [With first principles] you boil things down to the most fundamental truths…and then reason up from there. ~ Elon Musk,
268:I think it’s important to reason from first principles rather than by analogy. The normal way we conduct our lives is we reason by analogy. [With analogy] we are doing this because it’s like something else that was done, or it is like what other people are doing. [With first principles] you boil things down to the most fundamental truths…and then reason up from there. ~ Elon Musk,
269:Tesla Motors was created to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport. If we clear a path to the creation of compelling electric vehicles, but then lay intellectual property landmines behind us to inhibit others, we are acting in a manner contrary to that goal. Tesla will not initiate patent lawsuits against anyone who, in good faith, wants to use our technology. ~ Elon Musk,
270:If humanity is to become multi-planetary, the fundamental breakthrough that needs to occur in rocketry is a rapidly and completely reusable rocket … achieving it would be on a par with what the Wright brothers did. It’s the fundamental thing that’s necessary for humanity to become a space-faring civilization. America would never have been colonized if ships weren’t reusable. ~ Elon Musk,
271:I think it's very easy for people who are not deep in the technology itself to make generalizations, which may be a little dangerous. And we've certainly seen that recently with Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Stephen Hawking, all saying AI is just taking off and it's going to take over the world very quickly. And the thing that they share is none of them work in this technological field. ~ Rodney Brooks,
272:I almost? had some slight existential crisis, cause I was trying to figure out what does it all mean? what is the purpose of things? I came to the conclusion that if we can advance the knowledge of the world, if we can do things that expand the scope and scale of consciousness then were better able to ask the right questions and become more enlightened and thats really the only way forward
   ~ Elon Musk,
273:Soy obsesivo compulsivo por naturaleza. En lo relativo a ser un imbécil o a cagarla soy tan capaz como cualquier otro y de algún modo tengo la piel más dura gracias a todo el tejido cicatricial... lo que me importa es ganar, y no a pequeña escala. Dios sabe porqué... probablemente sea algo que se sustente en algún desagradable agujero negro psicoanalistico o en algún corto circuito neuronal --Elon Musk ~ Ashlee Vance,
274:Let's think beyond the normal stuff and have an environment where that sort of thinking is encouraged and rewarded and where it's okay to fail as well. Because when you try new things, you try this idea, that idea... well a large number of them are not gonna work, and that has to be okay. If every time somebody comes up with an idea it has to be successful, you're not gonna get people coming up with ideas. ~ Elon Musk,
275:The only reason I was able to accomplish things is the great people willing to work with me. A company is a group of people organized to create a product or service, and that product or service is only as good as the people in the company - and how excited they are about creating it. I do want to recognize a ton of super-talented people. Without them, I would have accomplished very little. I just happen to be the face of the companies. ~ Elon Musk,
276:Musk of PayPal, SpaceX, and Tesla Motors, a choice some readers protested. A conversation ensued online about what makes someone an inventor. You put Elon Musk at the top of the list of candidates for the greatest living inventor. You do not, however, mention a single invention credited to Mr. Musk. Nor are any such inventions mentioned in the various online biographies of Mr. Musk. Are you not confusing inventor with businessman? Peter Blau ~ Anonymous,
277:It will enable anyone who wants to have superhuman cognition. Anyone who wants. This is not a matter of earning power because your earning power would be vastly greater after you do it. So, it’s just like: anyone who wants can just do it. In theory. That’s the theory. And if that’s the case, then—and let’s say billions of people do it—then the outcome for humanity will be the sum of human will. The sum of billions of people’s desire for the future. ~ Elon Musk, Human Civilization and AI,
278:There’s sort of a collective AI in Google Search, where we’re all sort of plugged in like nodes on the network; like leaves on a big tree. And we’re all feeding this network with our questions and answers. We’re all collectively programming the AI. And Google, plus all the humans that connect to it, are one giant cybernetic collective. This is also true of Facebook and Twitter and Instagram, and all these social networks. They’re giant cybernetic collectives. ~ Elon Musk, Human Civilization and AI,
279:Focus on something that has high value to someone else, be really rigorous in making that assessment, because natural human tendency is wishful thinking, so the challenge to entrepreneurs is telling what's the difference between really believing in your ideals and sticking to them as opposed to pursuing some unrealistic dream that doesn't actually have merit, be very rigorous in your self analysis, certainly being extremely tenacious, and just work like hell. Put in 80-100 hours every week. All these things improves the odds of success ~ Elon Musk,
280:Elon Musks Reading List
   J. E. Gordon - Structures: Or Why Things Don't Fall Down
   Walter Isaacson - Benjamin Franklin: An American Life
   Walter Isaacson - Einstein: His Life and Universe
   Nick Bostrom - Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies
   Erik M. Conway & Naomi Oreskes - Merchants of Doubt
   William Golding - Lord of the Flies
   Peter Thiel - Zero to One: Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Future
   Isaac Asimov - The Foundation Trilogy
   ~ Elon Musk, CNBC,
281:It’s pretty hard to get to another star system. Alpha Centauri is four light years away, so if you go at 10 per cent of the speed of light, it’s going to take you 40 years, and that’s assuming you can instantly reach that speed, which isn’t going to be the case. You have to accelerate. You have to build up to 20 or 30 per cent and then slow down, assuming you want to stay at Alpha Centauri and not go zipping past. It’s just hard. With current life spans, you need generational ships. You need antimatter drives, because that’s the most mass-efficient. It’s doable, but it’s super slow. ~ Elon Musk,
282:Thought Leadership
“Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future” Book by Ashlee Vance
“Take risks now and do something bold. You won’t regret it.” - Elon Musk (CEO of SpaceX and Tesla)
#smitanairjain #leadership #womenintech #thoughtleaders #tedxspeaker #technology #tech #success #strategy #startuplife #startupbusiness #startup #mentor #leaders #itmanagement #itleaders #innovation #informationtechnology #influencers #Influencer #hightech #fintechinfluencer #fintech #entrepreneurship #entrepreneurs #economy #economics #development #businessintelligence #business ~ Ashlee Vance,
283:Christina Nichol describes a conversation with a young family member who works in tech, to whom she tried to describe the unprecedentedness of the threat from climate change, unsuccessfully. “Why worry?” he replies. “Technology will take care of everything. If the Earth goes, we’ll just live in spaceships. We’ll have 3D printers to print our food. We’ll be eating lab meat. One cow will feed us all. We’ll just rearrange atoms to create water or oxygen. Elon Musk.” Elon Musk—it’s not the name of a man but a species-scale survival strategy. Nichol answers, “But I don’t want to live in a spaceship.” He looked genuinely surprised. In his line of work, he’d never met anyone who didn’t want to live in a spaceship. ~ David Wallace Wells,
284:At the Puerto Rico beneficial-AI conference mentioned in the first chapter, Elon Musk argued that what we need right now from governments isn’t oversight but insight: specifically, technically capable people in government positions who can monitor AI’s progress and steer it if warranted down the road. He also argued that government regulation can sometimes nurture rather than stifle progress: for example, if government safety standards for self-driving cars can help reduce the number of self-driving-car accidents, then a public backlash is less likely and adoption of the new technology can be accelerated. The most safety-conscious AI companies might therefore favor regulation that forces less scrupulous competitors to match their high safety standards. ~ Max Tegmark,
285:THE RIVE BROTHERS used to be like a technology gang. In the late 1990s, they would jump on skateboards and zip around the streets of Santa Cruz, knocking on the doors of businesses and asking if they needed any help managing their computing systems. The young men, who had all grown up in South Africa with their cousin Elon Musk, soon decided there must be an easier way to hawk their technology smarts than going door-to-door. They wrote some software that allowed them to take control of their clients’ systems from afar and to automate many of the standard tasks that companies required, such as installing updates for applications. The software became the basis of a new company called Everdream, and the brothers promoted their technology in some compelling ways. ~ Ashlee Vance,
286:This question came from Elon Musk near the very end of a long dinner we shared at a high-end seafood restaurant in Silicon Valley. I’d gotten to the restaurant first and settled down with a gin and tonic, knowing Musk would—as ever—be late. After about fifteen minutes, Musk showed up wearing leather shoes, designer jeans, and a plaid dress shirt. Musk stands six foot one but ask anyone who knows him and they’ll confirm that he seems much bigger than that. He’s absurdly broad-shouldered, sturdy, and thick. You’d figure he would use this frame to his advantage and perform an alpha-male strut when entering a room. Instead, he tends to be almost sheepish. It’s head tilted slightly down while walking, a quick handshake hello after reaching the table, and then butt in seat. From there, Musk needs a few minutes before he warms up and looks at ease. ~ Ashlee Vance,
287:we can figure that out, including how to talk about it in a way that Americans will understand and support, that will be both good policy and good politics. There’s another angle to consider as well. Technologists like Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and Bill Gates, and physicists like Stephen Hawking have warned that artificial intelligence could one day pose an existential security threat. Musk has called it “the greatest risk we face as a civilization.” Think about it: Have you ever seen a movie where the machines start thinking for themselves that ends well? Every time I went out to Silicon Valley during the campaign, I came home more alarmed about this. My staff lived in fear that I’d start talking about “the rise of the robots” in some Iowa town hall. Maybe I should have. In any case, policy makers need to keep up with technology as it races ahead, instead of always playing catch-up. ~ Hillary Rodham Clinton,
288:Airbus Group Ventures business to be led by Tim Dombrowski, a former partner of technology venture capital powerhouse Andreessen Horowitz. The unit’s mandate is to “invest in promising, disruptive and innovative business opportunities generated around the globe,” Airbus said on Friday. Paul Eremenko, who was director of engineering at Google’s secretive Advanced Technology and Projects organization and also worked for the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency technology incubator, will be chief executive of Airbus Group Silicon Valley technology and business innovation center, the company said. “Silicon Valley serves as a unique hub for technology breakthroughs and we see huge opportunities to learn from, and partner with the many players based there,” Airbus Chief Executive Tom Enders said in a statement. Mr. Enders has become concerned that newcomers to the industry may turn into formidable rivals to the European aerospace giant along with more traditional competitors such as Boeing Co. That’s already happening in space where entrepreneur Elon Musk’s space company, Space Exploration ~ Anonymous,
289:For Elon Musk, this spectacle has turned into a familiar experience. SpaceX has metamorphosed from the joke of the aeronautics industry into one of its most consistent operators. SpaceX sends a rocket up about once a month, carrying satellites for companies and nations and supplies to the International Space Station. Where the Falcon 1 blasting off from Kwajalein was the work of a start-up, the Falcon 9 taking off from Vandenberg is the work of an aerospace superpower. SpaceX can undercut its U.S. competitors—Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Orbital Sciences—on price by a ridiculous margin. It also offers U.S. customers a peace of mind that its rivals can’t. Where these competitors rely on Russian and other foreign suppliers, SpaceX makes all of its machines from scratch in the United States. Because of its low costs, SpaceX has once again made the United States a player in the worldwide commercial launch market. Its $60 million per launch cost is much less than what Europe and Japan charge and trumps even the relative bargains offered by the Russians and Chinese, who have the added benefit of decades of sunk government investment into their space programs as well as cheap labor. The ~ Ashlee Vance,
290:There needs to be an intersection of the set of people who wish to go, and the set of people who can afford to go...and that intersection of sets has to be enough to establish a self-sustaining civilisation. My rough guess is that for a half-million dollars, there are enough people that could afford to go and would want to go. But it’s not going to be a vacation jaunt. It’s going to be saving up all your money and selling all your stuff, like when people moved to the early American colonies...even at a million people you’re assuming an incredible amount of productivity per person, because you would need to recreate the entire industrial base on Mars. You would need to mine and refine all of these different materials, in a much more difficult environment than Earth. There would be no trees growing. There would be no oxygen or nitrogen that are just there. No oil.Excluding organic growth, if you could take 100 people at a time, you would need 10,000 trips to get to a million people. But you would also need a lot of cargo to support those people. In fact, your cargo to person ratio is going to be quite high. It would probably be 10 cargo trips for every human trip, so more like 100,000 trips. And we’re talking 100,000 trips of a giant spaceship...If we can establish a Mars colony, we can almost certainly colonise the whole Solar System, because we’ll have created a strong economic forcing function for the improvement of space travel. We’ll go to the moons of Jupiter, at least some of the outer ones for sure, and probably Titan on Saturn, and the asteroids. Once we have that forcing function, and an Earth-to-Mars economy, we’ll cover the whole Solar System. But the key is that we have to make the Mars thing work. If we’re going to have any chance of sending stuff to other star systems, we need to be laser-focused on becoming a multi-planet civilisation. That’s the next step. ~ Elon Musk,
291:Before dinner on the last night, while the guys were on the deck drinking whiskey and talking about Elon Musk, Liz and I went on a walk and she told me about a dream she’d been fixating on, a dream about what happens after mothers die. “We are all in this place. All the mothers who had to leave early.” (I would repeat her unforgettable phrasing—had to leave early—to Edward as we went to sleep that night.) “It’s huge, big as an airplane hangar, and there are all these seats, rows and rows, set up on a glass floor, so all the moms can look down and watch their kids live out their futures.” How dominant the ache to know what becomes of our children. “There’s one rule: you can watch as much and as long as you want, but you can only intervene once.” I nodded, tears forming. “So I sat down. And I watched. I watched them out back by the pool, swimming with Andy, napping on a towel. I watched them on the jungle gym, walking Lambchop, reading their Lemony Snicket books. I watched Margo taking a wrong turn or forgetting her homework. I watched Dru ignoring his coach. I watched Gwennie logging her feelings in a journal. And every time I went to intervene, to warn one of the kids about something or just pick them up to hold them, a more experienced mother leaned across and stopped me. Not now. He’ll figure it out. She’ll come around. And it went on and on like that and in the end,” she said, smiling with wet eyes, “I never needed to use my interventions.” Her dream was that she had, in her too-short lifetime, endowed her children with everything they’d require to negotiate the successive obstacle courses of adolescence, young adulthood, and grown-up life. “I mean, they had heartaches and regret and fights and broken bones,” she said, stopping to rest. “They made tons of mistakes, but they didn’t need me. I never had to say anything or stop anything. I never said one word.” She put her arm through mine and we started moving again, back toward the house, touching from our shoulders to our elbows, crunching the gravel with our steps, the mingled voices of our children coming from the door we left open. ~ Kelly Corrigan,

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