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object:1965-09-25
book class:Agenda Vol 06
author class:The Mother
author class:Satprem
subject class:Integral Yoga
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1965 Sat 25 September
September 25, 1965

(Following the Security Council's ultimatum, India accepted the cease-fire as of September 22.)

So you were right, in the end!

I was right on what? Ah, your message to Delhi: India must fight.

Yes.

Oh, they dont understand anything. Its a disgusting sight.

And as false as can be: they keep on fighting, only they are pretending not to.

They are all so pleased with what theyve done, they are chortling with glee.

No, theyre not pleased.

You think not?

Yes, I know!

It reminds me of 1939, Chamberlain coming back from Munich: Peace in our time!

Yes, exactly.

But at the U.N., they are chortling with glee, theyre very proud of themselves [for the cease-fire]. But here, they arent glad.

They are especially furious at Britain.1

Oh, those British

Yes, and they are going to leave the Commonwealth.

That would be a good thing.

(Laughing) Yes, and about time!

The Russians have called on Shastri and the Pakistan man [Ayub Khan] to meet in Russia [in Tashkent], and it seems they have agreed with the Americans (the Russians with the Americans) on permanently separating Britain from Pakistan and China from India. They want to take steps to permanently prevent China and Britain from intervening in affairs here. They have means of coercing them, it appears.

Naturally, if Russia and America join together So they have called Shastri and Ayub, and they are goingthey are going there. So perhaps we are going to see something interesting.

The rapprochement between Russia and America is something I have been working on for years. I thought I had succeeded, when Kennedy was assassinated; and at the time, Khrushchev was well-disposedboth gone! One is assassinated, the other dismissed.

Now well see.

If nothing comes in the way, there may be something interesting.

But one doesnt see any solution other than military. The problem must be solved, mustnt it?

There could be the solution of Pakistan becoming a part of India again.

Yes, but thats not possible unless they are swallowed up.

They may come to it without being forced. This fellow [Ayub Khan] is impossible.

Oh, yes, he is impossible.

Yes, but he isnt immortal.

The mentality there will be hard to change. The Indians have missed the opportunity.

Yes. Ah, yes, this was the opportunity.

But its not their fault: its the fault of the United Nations; and the United Nations has acted from a single motive, because they were dreadfully scared of a general warof course, this blocks the vision.

Well see.

But I believe in Kali, Mother. My only hope now is really in Kali: Kalis force striking. I cant imagine any other possibility.

(Silence) This man who is heading Pakistan doesnt represent the whole of Pakistan. There is a whole part of Pakistan that favors union with India.

Really?

A large part.

And theres nothing to say that if they feel protected, helped and supported, in fact by Russia and America, they wont push for reunion. With masses, you know, its only a question of a current of thought: its not reflection, not reasoning, just a current of thought.

I dont know, we shall see.

(Mother holds out a hibiscus to Satprem) Here is a monumental Grace, there are almost two together.

(silence)

Before the fighting broke out, Nolini had a dream which he has told me now. There was a certain number of people together, and they saw Sri Aurobindo coming to them. And Sri Aurobindo was bent over as if making an extraordinary effort; he was completely covered in a coat and nothing could be seen, but he was bent over as if making a great effort. When he reached them, he opened his coat, and in his arms was fruit (gesture indicating a meagre bundle), fruit and other symbolic things. Then he held it out to them, saying, This is all I have been able to do. And he left. As if that was all he could do: All the feast I have been able to give you, something of the sort. So they tried to make a feast with that, since he had given it, but then it created confusion and wasnt pleasant. When Nolini had this dream, he didnt understand a thingnow he understands. Sri Aurobindo made such an effort to bring that: This is all I can do. It seems there was a sense of tremendous effort (laughing): This is all I have managed to do.

The world isnt ready. Thats the worst part.

The world isnt ready.

So then, if it is Kali, it means everything back to the melting pot, and with the means at their disposal, that may mean having to start the whole civilization from scratch againhow many centuries wasted?

What has come down to us from the civilizations that disappeared? Nothing. Nothing, not even one exact bit of information.

All that, all this Matter all the time going (gesture of rising and being swallowed back), making effort, producing forms, producing an element that can manifest consciousness, and then, brff! (gesture of being swallowed back) And again (gesture of rising), and back it goes againwhat a terrible waste! A great waste.

(silence)

The whole night (not last night, the night before) was very, very critical, and with such a clear perception of the futility of the present procedure and of this slavery that comes from a habit several thousand years old and more.2

There was in fact in the body a struggle between the two tendencies: one that was by habit subject to the old movement, and one that was trying to drop that habit, with the perception of the new way. It was it was extremely painful, difficult and absolutely grotesque all at once. And then, this body found itself to be a sort of battlefield, and that wasnt pleasant.

And the body consciousness (which is now taking form more and more clearly), even the one that is subject to the old habit, is conscious of the divine existence, I might say (the existence of the Divine and almost the divine existence), but it still has a sense of helplessness, and also, within that helplessness, of a complete surrender to the divine Will: If we arent ready, it will be like that [= the dissolution]. And there is a part that feels ready, that understands and knows how things must be and wants them that way, and the two clash. Its not that one is for the Divine and the other against, nothing of all that old business is there any longer: there is the complete acceptance of the Divine, but the sensation of not being ready the sensation that the world isnt ready (it wasnt at all an individual affair, not at all, it was a terrestrial consciousness).

And you clearly feel in this struggle (which lasted the whole night and the whole morningyesterday, I wasnt in too brilliant a state), you clearly see, its visible that its not a question of a forceful will or its not that: the SUBSTANCE must be ready. If the substance isnt ready, a forceful, powerful action visibly causes a dissolution. And then all that has been built has to be rebuilt. This idiotic death, you see, reduces it all to nothing, and the whole work is wastedwhat goes out is what came in with a little more experience, thats all. Thats nothing.

(silence)

If even one very small aggregate of cells could succeed in having the complete experience of transformation right to the end, that would be more effective than great upheavalsmuch, much more effective.

But its more difficult. Much more difficult. And it doesnt cause big dazzling events that make a great to-do.

Yes, its linked to the general state of the world.

Absolutely.

And there really doesnt seem to be any progress. The feeling, on the contrary, is that men, heads of state, human consciousnesses are getting tinier and tinier.

Yes, perfectly correct.

Pygmies. It strikes me how in twenty years all that has been growing more and more dwarfish.

Thats perfectly correct. But I mean that according to my vision (which I dont think is mine, its not a personal vision), nights and days like yesterday (which arent pleasant) obviously give you a knowledge, and upheaval [Kali] still belongs to the old methodits accepting that the world hasnt changed. While this sort of apparent shrinking is in fact perhaps the proof that the earth consciousness has changed and is putting pressure on what resists, which gets smaller and smaller, but harder and harder.

Harder and harder, thats right.

As if all thats conscious and living were being extracted, and what remains becomes more and more stony.

(silence)

The conscious perception of the two elements (the body is becoming a representative object; not just symbolic: representative), the perception of the state of consciousness of those elements that belong to the past, to the past evolutionary movement, and of those that are open to the new method, if I may say so, is clearer and clearer; its perceptible as clearly as, more clearly than external physical things, than the external form (this distinction is physical, but it belongs to the inner construction). Outwardly, it results in fever. Its a battle. And not a battle of ill wills, its not that: its a sort of incapacity. And its not with violence that we will succeed. You know, the only thing that can triumph is this supreme Vibration of Love, but there is an incapacity to receive, and then (its a strange phenomenon), this incapacity to receive causes a sort of sifting, and its only elements that are as if watered down that can pass through the Thing in itself in its true essence cannot. If you look at it from below, you feel as if That refuses to give itself, but its not true, because when you ARE That (laughing), there is no sense of being watered down: That manifests in its plenitude. And see what happens [the sifting]!

And its clear (you can see it in very small details) that if there were direct contact, something would be as if shatteredit would cause something to be shattered. Yes, too abrupt, too sudden a change, like something thats shattered.

There have been microscopic experiences, sorts of microscopic demonstrations; well, if those microscopic demonstrations, along with their result, occurred in sufficient quantity or sufficient number, yes, that would necessarily cause what, for us, would be a dissolution.

And that was an experience lived every second, for about six hours nonstop. Six hours nonstop and in stillness (not stillness, but the possibility of physical immobility on the bed), then the continuation for more than an hour after getting up, with the activities (limited, but ordinary activities), but then it became terrible! And I say: all, all the elements, whatever they are, whether they belong to the old movement or to the other one, all the elements had the same sense of adoration. Therefore it isnt a moral attitude: the same sense of adoration. Only, some, in their adoration, accepted annulment, while others wanted the Victory, the transformationits not that they wanted: they FELT the victory: and the others accepted the dissolution. And both together Very likely, if I had expressed that (I wasnt in a fit state to do so!), if I had expressed it at the time, I would have been accused of acute delirium I was perfectly conscious. And there, I mean, THERE, above the body, the most wonderful Peace one can imagine, a smiling Peace and

And the fever is going on. Which is to say that I am very, very conscious that this is the maximum of what can be done to advance swiftly towards transformation.

This fever that everybody has [several hundred cases in the Ashram for the past few months] is the same thing, except that its diluted in an unconsciousness. But its the same thing: its a cellular affair (Ive had the experience of this because I have been able to stop it abruptly in a few through a process of isolation from the general movement).

(silence)

Ah! What have you brought? Is the Bulletin finished?

Except for the aphorism.

What is it?

111Knowledge is a child with its achievements; for when it has found out something, it runs about the streets whooping and shouting; Wisdom conceals hers for a long time in a thoughtful and mighty silence.

This is an experience I had some two years ago. What he says here, I had the living experience of ithalf a day of living experience; at the time I could have told you very interesting things, but now I find it old, old, so old, far behind.

Id like to ask you a question, and its linked to what you said just now, when you had that fever while lying on your bed, and above, you said, there was a wonderful, immutable Peacewhats the power of that Peace? Whats the power of that Silence? When one rises above, one enters a sort of vast silence, frozen, all-pervading, but whats the power of that silence? Does it do anything?

Thats what people in the past used to seek when they wanted to get out of life: they would go into a trance, leave their bodies still, and then they would enter that, and they would be perfectly happy. And for the Sannyasins who got themselves buried alive, it was the same thing; they said, Now my work is over (they would make beautiful sentences), it is over, and I am going into samadhi. And they would have themselves buried alive; they would enter a room or whatever, then it would be closed, and it was all over. And thats what happened: they would go into a trance, and naturally after a time their bodies would dissolve, while they were in Peace.

But Sri Aurobindo says this Silence is mighty.

Mighty, yes.

Well, Id like in fact to know in what way it is mighty? Because you have a feeling that you could stay in it for an eternity

Not for an eternity for Eternity.

without its changing anything.

Yes, because it isnt manifested, its outside the manifestation. But what Sri Aurobindo wants is for us to bring it down here. Thats just the difficulty. Thats it. And one must accept infirmity and the very appearance of stupidity and everything, and there isnt one being in fifty million (Sri Aurobindo told me I was the only one! [laughing] It may be so!) who has the courage for that.

Just yesterday I was looking at this body, and there were no the reactions that might be called personal were truly reduced to an imperceptible minimum, which means there was a sense I cant say a universal sense because its not certain that Matter in other universes follows the same law, I dont know (I dont know I once knew: there was a time when I was in contact with this and that and I could have said, but now I dont want to concern myself with it: I am concerned only with the earth). Because this is always there, too: the possibility of escaping by going elsewhere. Lots of people did that in fact: they went off elsewhere, into another, more or less subtle world. Of course, there are millions of ways to escape there is only one way to stay, and thats to truly have courage and endurance, to accept all the appearance of infirmity, the appearance of powerlessness, the appearance of incomprehension, the appearance, yes, of a negation of the Truth. But if one doesnt accept all that, nothing will ever be changed! Those who want to remain great, luminous, strong, powerful and what have you, well, let them stay up there, they can do nothing for the earth.

And its a very small thing (a very small thing because the consciousness is sufficient not to be affected in the least), but the incomprehension is so general and total! In other words, you receive abuse, expressions of contempt and all the rest, precisely because of what you do, because according to them (all the great intelligences of the earth), you have renounced your divinity. They dont say it like that, they say, What? You claim to have a divine consciousness, and then And this manifests in everyone and every circumstance. Now and then, someone for a moment has a flash, but thats quite exceptional, while Well, show your power!, thats everywhere.

For them, the Divine on earth must be all-powerful, obviously.

Thats right: Show your power, change the world. And to begin with, do as I want; because the first, most important thing is to do what I wantshow your power!

(long silence)

Ah, but this wont do for an aphorism, its not an answer to what Sri Aurobindo says! No, I told you, I had the experience long ago. I remember, it was so lovely, so clear, so luminous, and I expressed it so well to myself (!), it would have made a very nice little article! But now its there, behind (gesture over the shoulder), far, far behind. So I dont know what to do.

I think unless you have a question to ask (but you see the condition!), well take up our Savitri.

(silence)

Its a vicious circle. The impression is that the transformation cannot come about without a development or a general receptivity on the earth, a greater preparation on the earth, and at the same time, that greater preparation on the earth isnt possible without an acceleration of your transforming force.

Yes, but it acts, only its an infinitesimal action. Thats why millions of years are nothing. This stagnation, for instance, exists only for our consciousness; its because the human consciousness, after all, measures everything on its own scale. For it, the history of the earth is an infiniteit isnt so in universal history, but for the human being, the impression is of an infinite (he knows very well that it isnt so, but thats theoretical knowledge), so then, on this scale, nothing changes but thats not true.

Yes, but it should be done in the space of one lifetime.

Oh, that

That will only be the last life the last life before the transformation. That will be the life of the transformation. Which means that all that has been prepared for millions and millions of years will be realized one fine day, and when it is realized, the one (the one or the ones, whatever) for whom it is realized will say, Here, weve done it! (Mother laughs) Forgetting that it took millions of years to prepare for that minute!

It would be good for that minute to come soon.

Ah, thats exactly the refrain I keep hearing all the time: You say that the Truth is manifesting, well, we really hope it will win the Victory soon!

I dont know.

Sri Aurobindo, when I saw him the first time, told me, The others came to prepare and left, but this time, its to ACHIEVE. He, too, left.

He left. True, he told me, You are the one who will achieve, but he never gave me He is the only one who told me that, and he said it just like that, as he used to say things, you know. It wasnt something that gave you an absolute certitude. He had that power: I would tell him something, and when he said, Yes, it is that way, it WAS that way (something I WANTED to happen, not something that was), and when he said, Yes, it is that way, then it BECAME that way! The first time it happened, it dazzled me. But that was generally about details. But when he told me, You are the one who will achieve, it wasnt in that manner: it might have been also his will to go right to the end of of what was possible.

And I cant say I am asking the question because thats not true, I am not asking it, but the two possibilities are there (gesture in suspense). Well, there is no answer either to one or to the other. At times I have the vision that its going to be the end (a very practical vision of what I want to do), that comes, but against a backdrop of complete uncertainty; and the next minute, there is the possibility of going right to the end of the transformation, with the clear vision of what must be done, but a backdrop there isnt a backdrop of the Assurance that it will BE that waynei ther in one case nor in the other. And I know this is deliberate, because its necessary for the work of the cells. If, for instance, I received from the Supreme the Order (sometimes I receive it clearly, as clearly as), if I received from Him the certitude that whatever the difficulties, whatever the appearances of the path, this body will go right to the end of the transformation, well, there would be a slackening somewhere, which would be very bad. I know that myself, I know it perfectly well. So, thats how it is: I walk on, without knowing what will happen tomorrow. Yesterday, I could have said, Yes, maybe this is the end (as it seems X3 kindly said to people who had gone to see him: he said I had six months to live, that in six months I would go[laughing] thats typical of his usual predictions), well, with yesterdays experience, I said, Its quite possible. And with that same total indifference, you know: Its quite possible. With a quotation from Sri Aurobindo saying, Nothing can alter the splendor of the Consciousness of Eternity. Thats it. And then when this state has gone and the other one comes, you say, Whatever does dying mean! What does it mean? How can you say that? And its not that the two states alternate with (how can I explain?) oppositionsits not that at all, its almost simultaneous (Mother intertwines the fingers of her two hands), but now you see this, now you see that. And its one and the same totality of something which is the Truth, but which is still a bit cloudyit isnt fully grasped like this (gesture).

This is the normal state, but its obviously being worked out, being built, taking shape.

And its very wise. The supreme Wisdom is infinitely greater than ours! In our enthusiasm, we sometimes think, Oh, if things were like that! (Mother gives herself a slap)Be quiet, thats all.

We are very clumsy.

Yes, we find it hard to understand that Wisdom is CONSTANTLY wise.

We find it very hard to understand that the Supreme constantly does everything.

There.

And that we are just clumsy fools (laughing) who want things to be otherwise because we dont understand the first thing about anything!

Its beginning to be a little wiser here, a little bit. I told you, after nights like yesterday, you are a little wiser. And mornings you are a little wiser. And a sort of very, very material sensation that its He Because we think, Oh, if it were for us (we dont say it like that, but), everything would instantly be just fine, no? And that just fine, God knows what it would be!

Yesterday or the day before, I dont know (I think it was two days ago), it hurt all over and it was a constant effortan effort to maintain an acceptable balance; and then, at one point, I lay down and the body said, Oh, (laughing) wont it end? Will it always be like this? Then it suddenly had the perception, Oh, what a coward I am! It was ashamed of itself. And it felt (Mother presses her hands against her face), like this, inside here, everywhere, the presence of the Lordeverywhere like this, a Presence! A Presence of luminous power, but a luminous power that can be destructive, you understand! (Mother laughs) It can melt you completelyWell, arent you content, do you want something other than this?! Oh!

It doesnt ask for anything.

Thats what I call sincerity: if one can catch oneself every minute belonging to the old Stupidity.

And its precisely to make you see. I am translating mentally, but He seems to be saying, You see, things are like that because if they werent like that, you wouldnt have understood. And its so true that there is nothing to say.

You [the body] need this to understand.

The British government and press (the American press, too) have been outrageously anti-Indian.

It may be noted that Mother had a fever the day before.

X = the Tantric guru.

***
September 22, 1965


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