(Mother reads a few lines from "Savitri" which she prepares to translate into French. It is Savitri's heart that speaks:)
The great stars burn with my unceasing fire
And life and death are both its fuel made.
Life only was my blind attempt to love:
Earth saw my struggle, heaven my victory.
(X.III.638)
She says, Life and death are the fuel, then, In my blind attempt LIFE ONLY was my attempt to love.1 Because my attempt to love was blind, I limited it to life but I won the victory in death.
Its very interesting. (Mother repeats:)
Earth saw my struggle, heaven my victory.
Yet, earth should see the victory? The victory should be on earth, shouldnt it?
Yes, but she couldnt win the victory on earth because she lacked heavenshe couldnt win the victory in life because she lacked death and she had to conquer death in order to conquer life.
Thats the idea. Unless we conquer Death, the victory isnt won. Death must be vanquished, there must be no more death.
Thats very clear.
(silence)
According to what he says here, it is the principle of Love that is transformed into flame and finally into light. It isnt the principle of Light that is transformed into flame when it materializes: its the flame that is transformed into light.
The great stars give light because they burn; they burn because they are under the effect of Love.
Love would be the original Principle?
That seems to be what he is saying.
I didnt remember this passage. But I told you, my experience2 is that the last thing as one rises the last thing beyond light, beyond consciousness, beyond the last thing one reaches is love. One, this one is its the II dont know. According to the experience, its the last thing to manifest now in its purity, and it is the one that has the transforming power.
Thats what he appears to be saying here: the victory of Love seems to be the final victory.
(silence)
He said, Savitri, a Legend and a Symbol; its he who made it a symbol. Its the story of the encounter of Savitri, the principle of Love, with Death; and its over Death that she won the victory, not in life. She could not win the victory in life without winning the victory over Death.
I didnt know it was put so clearly here. I had read it, but only once.
Its very interesting.
How many times, how many times have I seen that he had written down my experiences. Because for years and years I didnt read Sri Aurobindos books; it was only before coming here that I had read The Life Divine, The Synthesis of Yoga, and another one, too. For instance, Essays on the Gita I had never read, Savitri I had never read, I read it very recently (that is to say, some ten years ago, in 1954 or 55). The book Sri Aurobindo on Himself and on the Mother I had never read, and when I read it, I realized what he wrote to people about me I had no idea, he had never told me anything about it! You see, there are lots of things that I had said while speaking to people that I had said just like that, because they came (gesture from above) and I would say them and I realized he had written them. So, naturally, I appeared to be simply repeating what he had written but I had never read it! And now, its the same thing: I had read this passage from Savitri, but hadnt noticed itbecause I hadnt had the experience. But now that I have had the experience, I see that he tells it.
Its quite interesting.
Maybe well have to reread Savitri?
In fact, if we wanted to be really good, we would try to translate the whole of Savitri, wouldnt we? What we are doing now with the end [Book X], we would do with all the rest. There is a part I tried to translate all alone, but it would be fun to do it together. We could try. Not for publication! Because there is immediately a debasing: everything that is published is debased, otherwise people dont understand. We would do it for ourselves.
But its very interesting.
Just the other day I noted something down on the subject (Mother looks for a note, then reads it):
Very rare and exceptional are the human beings who can understand and feel divine Love, because divine Love is free of attachment and of the need to please the object loved.
That was a discovery.
Thats why people dont understand; for them, love is so much like this (Mother intertwines the fingers of her two hands) that they cannot even feel or believe that they love if there isnt an attachment like this (same gesture). And necessarily, the consequence of attachment is the will, the desire, the need to please the object of ones love.
If you take away the attachment and the need to please, people scratch their heads and wonder if they love. And its only when you take away those two things that divine Love begins!
This, mon petit, well talk about again, its a revelation.
Thats why they dont understand and thats why they cant feel it.
Mother later stressed again, "It's not Life was only, but Life only."
The experience of the "great pulsations" of divine Love (in April, 1962).
***
September 4, 1965
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