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object:1964-09-12
book class:Agenda Vol 05
author class:The Mother
author class:Satprem
subject class:Integral Yoga
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1964 Sat 12 September
September 12, 1964

(Satprem reads Mother an old "Talk" of February 24, 1951, in which she refers to the memory of past lives and the unbridled imagination of certain people.)

I didnt name her, but it was Annie Besant. She recounted all her lives with all the detailsright from the ape!

I didnt read her books, incidentally.

Oh, I tried several times, but its really all stories, it gets on your nerves.

Yes, thats what I call spiritual storybooks. Worse than that: spiritual pulp novels!

Its shallow. And it has done a great deal to devalue true knowledge.

(Mother nods her head)
***

(Then Satprem reads a passage in which Mother talks about young children who remember their previous lives, the village where they lived, etc., with precise descriptions.)

Thats amusing: a few days ago, after I saw you last time, one day I saw a whole story about that, which came back to me (it takes the form of a memory, but those things come from outside). It was about a seven-year-old child who told all his memories of his past lives. It came all at once, and I thought, But why am I seeing this? I watched it all and why and how it happeneda long story. And then it went away. It must have been while you were writing down the Talk!

It keeps happening like that all the time!

I still wonder, But why has this come? instead of saying to myself, Oh, here he is reading this story!

Amusing.

Its growing more and more precise. I lack a very tiny thing in the receiving set a very tiny impersonalization. But maybe if it were there the attention wouldnt be caught: the thing would unfold (Mother shows a film being projected in front of her), and then it would go away.

For the moment, it comes, I stop it [the film], and then I work on it to clarify the ideas, put things in their place, see all the relationships; and when the work is finished, it goes away.

Only, it takes the form of a memory, so I wonder why I remember thatits a lack of true objectification. Thats how I explain it: otherwise, maybe the thing wouldnt be stopped, it would pass on.

But it is an entire reconstruction of the mental functioning.
***

(From the same Talk from the past, Satprem reads a passage in which Mother tells the story of Queen Elizabeth, who, dying, received a delegation from the people in spite of her physicians protests: We shall die afterwards.)

Is it recent?

Its from 1951.

Again this whole story of Elizabeth came back to me a few days ago!

Since then, a part of the consciousness has been more self-assured, but it hasnt changed its attitude (how can I explain it?). Its attitude towards the Divine, towards the Work and towards life, is the same, but there is a greater clarity and a greater certainty and a sort of integrality in the experience.

But I said, Its recent, because the things that to me are old are those that give me the feeling of having changed my position and of having a completely opposite outlookthis Talk hasnt changed.

This remark, We shall die afterwards, is my own experience, it wasnt a dreamin fact, its never dreams: its a sort of STATE you enter VERY CONSCIOUSLY, and all at once you relive a thing.

Even now I can see the picture: I see the picture of the people, the populace, myself, the gown, the person who nursed me I see the whole scene. And I answered It was so obvious! I felt so strongly that things are governed by the will that I answered, We shall die afterwards, quite simply.

In English, not in French!
***

Just before Satprem leaves, Mother shows him a stack of letters:

There are very funny things all the time: I answer letters I havent received! Then I receive them afterwardsmy answer is already written down!

Things of that sort.
***
September 2, 1964


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