In the Illustrated Weekly they have published photographs of the Popes visit to Palestine, and there is one in which he is prostrating himself: he is kissing the ground on the Mount of Olives, where Christ, as the story goes, was informed that he would be crucified.
It put me again in contact with that man.
And his intention is clear: to make religion quite real, in the sense that it isnt a myth, it isnt a legendits truly God who came, and so on. So, to him, this is human greatness prostrating itself before the divine sacrifice.
There is another photograph in which he is embracing the Patriarch of the Orthodox Churchheretics formerly, now they embrace each other.
And all the people around him (they are well-dressed, you know, with modern suits) look like puppets, mon petit! Oh, its awful! Awful. He at least has a forceor a will, at any rate. And he has a plan, he knows what he wants.
(silence)
He is also the first Pope to travel by plane, so they took his photograph in the planehe gives a broad smile, he looks very happy.
(long silence)
In sum, it is the glorification of physical suffering as a means of salvation.
I must say I kind the whole story repugnant that crucifixion being flaunted everywhere. Theres nothing so clever about Christ! There are millions others who died without making such a fuss!
That was also my feeling, and it was Thons too. But Sri Aurobindo as for him, he clearly said that it had brought a sense of charity, humaneness and fraternity on earth that didnt exist before.
Yes, it certainly did bring something. But they just remain there.
Ah, the Falsehood is to remain stuck there, yes.
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A little later
Well have to revise some of these aphorisms [by Sri Aurobindo] little by little. Do we still have quite a few ready?
Not many. But at the rate were commenting on them, we still have at least a year to go!
(Mother laughs)
I havent yet had the time to prepare the Bulletin: Im catching up with my work.
It doesnt matter. Besides people are arriving by the hundred. Next month is going to be a bit difficult although Ill see as few people as possible. But still
See (Mother takes out an appointment pad), all these are people announcing their coming and asking for appointmentsjust look! (an endless list)
I could speed things up and prepare the Bulletin earlier?
No. Ill be better also (Mother still has her cold), it will give me some time to get better. Not that the ideas arent clear (!), on the contrary theres a sort of very precise and sharp vision of things, but speaking is difficult.
But what I say is hard for people to understand, I find. I gave that text from the Agenda to A.he didnt say anything. Which shows that he didnt understand anything. As for Pavitra, he clearly didnt understand anything.
To them its platitudes, mon petit! They take it just on the surface.
But when Sujata reads it, she understands! Yet she didnt listen to you.
But mon petit, Sujata is trained, she has typed it all, she has gone through it all.
Anyway, I dont care.
Personally, Im very reluctant to touch up what you say under the pretext of making it more readable.
Oh, no! It would become absolutely useless.
Im reluctant to do thatand I dont do it. I could easily make it more literary.
No!
But I find it absurd. Ive never done it. I cant do it.
It wouldnt be worth the trouble.
Too bad for them!
They just read the words, you know!
Exactly!
They read the grammar of it.
Thats right!
For instance, with that dialogue with a materialist,1 my experience lasted for two days, for hours on end. So there were all the arguments and counterarguments. It was extremely interesting. But I didnt say what the arguments were. So Pavitra told me, It lacks life.
But I find it full! The whole essence is there.
But it isnt explained.
But it doesnt need to be explained!
It would be very good if there were no need to explain.
But, for example, that dialogue was only the memory of the experience. When I have the experience WHILE you are here and describe it to you, its much stronger.
Yes, obviously.
So it would be better to try to have the experience while speaking to youor rather speak to you while having the experience.
I remember that while I was having that experience, I had the feeling that all materialism was ESSENTIALLY defeated, that there was a definitive answer, and that the force or power (because there is a Power behind materialism, a sort of sincerity that doesnt want to deceive itself), that that Power was overcome and convinced. And so, it has some importance. But the experience itself should be expressed for the power to be there. What I told you was only a reflection.
Anyway
See Agenda IV, September 7, 1963.
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January 22, 1964
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